You can't press the spacebar and you're calling anyone 'moronic'?
2 years ago
Anonymous
by default gnome is selected
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're a windows user.
2 years ago
Anonymous
how did you come to that conclusion? i use debian and the gnome checkbox is selected by default, but i don't use gnome
2 years ago
Anonymous
Answer the question. Are you moronic?
It's not working shill. You think that telling people there is a 'default' desktop environment in GNU/Linux and it's this GNOME meme is going to turn them off of it. We are not convinced. All you're telling them is they have freedom.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are moronic and arguing against an imaginary point.
The fact of the matter is that Debian specifically DOES have a default desktop environment, and that desktop environment is GNOME. You're free to use whatever the frick you want, but it won't change what the default is.
The default desktop environment, if any, depends on the distribution. In the case of Debian, as already stated multiple times, it happens to be GNOME.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>moronic
You keep saying this. But you can't press the spacebar, weird.
>what is this default thing you speak of?
This: [...]
You mean this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What a moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument
post your windows desktop already so we can end the thread.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What argument is left? I'm right and you're wrong and deluded, now take your meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>le meds
You don't use Linux.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes I do, what makes you believe otherwise?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you don't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
is "windows user" some of your hardest insults? kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have never installed Debian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's my main distro that I use for everything except for when I know I will only browse the web. Otherwise, I use Tails. Like if that matters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't use Linux.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>reddit spaced
into the trash with your trash opinion
2 years ago
Anonymous
>reddit spacing
Literal newbie meme, my dear election tourist.
GNOME and KDE look like they belong on tablets rather than desktop PCs. When I install Linux, it'll be 100% using XFCE, because that looks actually decent.
Debian w/plasma killed my distrohopping OP, you choose the DE during the install so im confused what it matters? Plasma is the only DE I have ever used that scales will with 4k so if there is a default it should be that.
„Default desktop environment“ only means it is checked by default in the installer, you can simply uncheck it and install any other environment, why even get salty over this
Gnome has always been The Default Linux desktop. Too bad they messed it up with Gnome3, loved when back in the day you'd simply choose Gnome and that's that. No need for forks like Mate because Gnome was exactly that back then.
I'm no fan of GNOME but I've been b***hing about not being able to use VRR properly when two monitors are connected and as of very recently it's showing a lot of progress there from what I've been testing. Instead of doing the Plasma thing where if you move a cursor you disable VRR it just matches the framerate of the cursor to the content that's being displayed on full screen. Wayland has given me some trouble but I never managed to get this working this way on xorg.
Who the frick doesn't use GNONE?
For fricks sake, kde keeps getting worse with every update, 5.25.2 is straight up unusable for daily tasks like copying shit from an external drive to a phone.
KDE was always shit, at least since KDE 4. They managed to market Plasma 5 pretty well for a while, but now the mask is falling off.
This isn't to say that GNOME isn't severely flawed as well or that its developers aren't moronic, but at least it has some semblance of polish and consistency. KDE is a complete and utter mess.
There are many other good desktop environments, ie. xfce, mate, budgie.
>install linux >have to run an obscure console command so my mouse works >have to run another console command so my gpu works >have to install a patch so my cpu works >have to install a desktop environment so I can actually do shit >have to install a windows manager
and all this just to end up screencapping a neofetch and going back to windows. sad!
cinnamon has piss poor performance and it's bugged, gnome fork
mate is literally a gnome fork
budgie is straight up gnome with a different shell on top
xfce lacks basic features like media controls and it's really behind in quality of life functionality
lxde is abandoned
lxqt has still a long ride to be good
wms need to be handcrafted to one's need
deepin has gaping security holes
lumina is really behind in feature parity
enlightenment is an absolute steaming pile of trash still
pantheon is literally a gnome fork with less functionality and abandoned since the project died.
Which distro other than arch and few other "elite"/"lightweight" distros don't ship with desktop environment in current year?
cinnamon has piss poor performance and it's bugged, gnome fork
mate is literally a gnome fork
budgie is straight up gnome with a different shell on top
xfce lacks basic features like media controls and it's really behind in quality of life functionality
lxde is abandoned
lxqt has still a long ride to be good
wms need to be handcrafted to one's need
deepin has gaping security holes
lumina is really behind in feature parity
enlightenment is an absolute steaming pile of trash still
pantheon is literally a gnome fork with less functionality and abandoned since the project died.
MATE and XFCE just work. What's wrong with them?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Which distro other than arch
I wish I knew. For me it's just Arch and Debian. I am not really insterested in Void or Gentoo.
Wayland is trash. GNOME could be even better if they spent those resources implementing important things such as a filepicker instead of falling for the Wayland shilling.
Sadly, both GNOME and KDE fell hard for the memes and set development back by at least 5 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wayland is trash.
But it still miles better than X and that's what's important.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, it manages to be even worse than X. After 15 years of development, it still lacks basic features that X provides.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those "basic features" invited malicious agents into your PC. How is it that you hate systemd for being bloated and insecure yet you praise X for the same thing? Surely you agree that in a perfect world every Linux machine would be running OpenRC along with Wayland right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Those "basic features" invited malicious agents into your PC.
They don't since I can into SELinux. It's far easier to use than you think. Besides, there isn't a single documented exploit relying on global key access on X. Remember that Windows works this way too.
>How is it that you hate systemd
I don't. I actually prefer it to the alternatives.
>Surely you agree that in a perfect world every Linux machine would be running OpenRC along with Wayland right?
I don't. OpenRC is a complete joke of an init system, to the point where PARALLEL="YES" is still discouraged from upstream. Even if I were to use something other than systemd, I would greatly prefer something such as runit.
Maybe, just maybe, avoid assuming some imaginary positions before arguing with people on the internet.
>install linux >have to run an obscure console command so my mouse works >have to run another console command so my gpu works >have to install a patch so my cpu works >have to install a desktop environment so I can actually do shit >have to install a windows manager
and all this just to end up screencapping a neofetch and going back to windows. sad!
I use it on my higher end rig. You can customize it a lot with extensions etc.
On old hardware, it's not really worth it; MATE uses half as much CPU power when I've tested the two. But on a desktop I don't think it matters as much.
And it's the default because it comes first alphabetically, duh. :^)
GNOME being against users theming their shit is not exactly great when they have two different adwaitas going on now. I open files and settings and I don't expect to see two windows with a different theme, but here we are. To me that's no less jarring than the sort of example they use to decide that people shouldn't do this. If it's gonna be flatshit, make everything flatshit.
I understand it kinda, there's always gonna be a period of breakage considering it's a whole new library. Unfortunately though, I don't expect most apps we use now will be ported to use libadwaita and be themed "properly" soon. I don't get what you mean with Files and Settings though, they both seem to use the same theme?
And this is how Settings looks. I don't think I can understand pushing some applications to have a theme that's not consistent instead of just waiting until the essential applications are done.
This website compares the trees while missing the forest.
KDE, in theory, looks like the best desktop environment of all. In practice, it's poorly integrated and a buggy mess.
Besides, GNOME has historically been a safe bet for a default environment for a variety of reasons: it relies on GTK, which has always been licensed under the (L)GPL (unlike Qt, which was originally nonfree), it is actively developed by contributors employed by large corporations and, like it or not, it is actually well integrated. There are of course many legitimate criticisms you can make against GNOME, but it's not hard to see why it is the default on many distributions.
>Why is Debian's default DE is still GNOME?
Not only Debian. SEL, RHEL, Fedora, Ubuntu ship GNOME by default. It's the one and only enterprise ready stable and polished desktop environment Linux has to offer. >Who the frick uses GNOME?
People who want to get stuff done instead of changing the themes every afternoon or dbugging why their window or file manager krashed. So pretty much everyone outside the tiny IQfy bubble.
I do
me
weird I don't have that problem.
>is somehow blind to the word 'default'
weird problem you have.
>i3
>xfce4-terminal
install urxvt, homosexual
now you have a terminal problem?
No, you have a terminal problem.
no I don't have any problems.
You run Debian.
exactly.
post neofetch
are you going to cry?
shit taste wallpapers
You can change the wallpaper.
>You can change the wallpaper.
Do you need help changing the wallpaper?
I can't change his wallpaper dummy.
>the point
>you
exec_always feh --bg-fill /home/user/Pictures/wallpaper.jpg
Are you moronic?
You can't press the spacebar and you're calling anyone 'moronic'?
by default gnome is selected
you're a windows user.
how did you come to that conclusion? i use debian and the gnome checkbox is selected by default, but i don't use gnome
It's not working shill. You think that telling people there is a 'default' desktop environment in GNU/Linux and it's this GNOME meme is going to turn them off of it. We are not convinced. All you're telling them is they have freedom.
You are moronic and arguing against an imaginary point.
The fact of the matter is that Debian specifically DOES have a default desktop environment, and that desktop environment is GNOME. You're free to use whatever the frick you want, but it won't change what the default is.
The default desktop environment, if any, depends on the distribution. In the case of Debian, as already stated multiple times, it happens to be GNOME.
>moronic
You keep saying this. But you can't press the spacebar, weird.
You mean this?
What a moron.
>no argument
post your windows desktop already so we can end the thread.
What argument is left? I'm right and you're wrong and deluded, now take your meds.
>le meds
You don't use Linux.
Yes I do, what makes you believe otherwise?
No you don't.
is "windows user" some of your hardest insults? kek
You have never installed Debian.
It's my main distro that I use for everything except for when I know I will only browse the web. Otherwise, I use Tails. Like if that matters.
You don't use Linux.
>reddit spaced
into the trash with your trash opinion
>reddit spacing
Literal newbie meme, my dear election tourist.
who are you quoting?
Answer the question. Are you moronic?
>default
what is this default thing you speak of? never heard of it.
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>what is this default thing you speak of?
This:
ohhh you mean this? I see what you mean.
me
GNOME and KDE look like they belong on tablets rather than desktop PCs. When I install Linux, it'll be 100% using XFCE, because that looks actually decent.
KDE and XFCE are practically indistinguishable in terms of the paradigm they use.
>When I install Linux
Evidently you haven't used them.
Gnome 2 > Gnome 1 > gnome 3
gnome 4 better than all of them
Gnome 1 was kino Black person
me.
I do
thats so hot
in debian 7 the default de was mate, then the 2015 incidents happened and it has been gnome after that
What incidents?
Debian w/plasma killed my distrohopping OP, you choose the DE during the install so im confused what it matters? Plasma is the only DE I have ever used that scales will with 4k so if there is a default it should be that.
Me
„Default desktop environment“ only means it is checked by default in the installer, you can simply uncheck it and install any other environment, why even get salty over this
Gnome has always been The Default Linux desktop. Too bad they messed it up with Gnome3, loved when back in the day you'd simply choose Gnome and that's that. No need for forks like Mate because Gnome was exactly that back then.
>Who the frick uses GNOME?
Who the frick uses Debian?
It's great at keeping away normies since it's so shit
I would use WMs like i3 and sway if the developers created defaults. I don't have time to install and configure app menus and lock screens.
just rip some gitslave's dotfiles
they're free, like ducks in parks
#metoo
I do. Every alternative is worse, as much as I hate to admit that.
how is it default? debian lets you choose any DE you like on install
You can choose between multiple options at install time, but the default is GNOME.
https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment
>default DE
who the frick cares
the installer literally gives you at least half a dozen options to pick from
they are so butthurt over a checkbox that they cry about it for 12 hours.
I'm no fan of GNOME but I've been b***hing about not being able to use VRR properly when two monitors are connected and as of very recently it's showing a lot of progress there from what I've been testing. Instead of doing the Plasma thing where if you move a cursor you disable VRR it just matches the framerate of the cursor to the content that's being displayed on full screen. Wayland has given me some trouble but I never managed to get this working this way on xorg.
>Who the frick uses GNOME?
people who views the desktop as a tool and not an extension of their personality.
ugly and gay no thumbnails in file picker or xdg-desktop-portal please do the needful and switch to KDE thanks
Who the frick doesn't use GNONE?
For fricks sake, kde keeps getting worse with every update, 5.25.2 is straight up unusable for daily tasks like copying shit from an external drive to a phone.
KDE was always shit, at least since KDE 4. They managed to market Plasma 5 pretty well for a while, but now the mask is falling off.
This isn't to say that GNOME isn't severely flawed as well or that its developers aren't moronic, but at least it has some semblance of polish and consistency. KDE is a complete and utter mess.
Plasma is my daily driver, zero issues and on Arch of all distros
There are many other good desktop environments, ie. xfce, mate, budgie.
Imagine using arch as first distro.
I prefer GNOME, but I'll grant that the ones you mentioned are all far better than KDE.
I prefer MEGABLOKS: THE OS
GNOME apps are fine but GTK can burn in hell, all context menus and file pickers are unusable.
KDE and GNOME should liquidate and make a unified DE called GayDE
cinnamon has piss poor performance and it's bugged, gnome fork
mate is literally a gnome fork
budgie is straight up gnome with a different shell on top
xfce lacks basic features like media controls and it's really behind in quality of life functionality
lxde is abandoned
lxqt has still a long ride to be good
wms need to be handcrafted to one's need
deepin has gaping security holes
lumina is really behind in feature parity
enlightenment is an absolute steaming pile of trash still
pantheon is literally a gnome fork with less functionality and abandoned since the project died.
>all these options for DEs that all do the same exact fricking thing
i thought linux was supposed to be free of bloat and totally efficient and shit?
Think of it as having many fashion choices, but only being able to wear two articles of clothing
free software lives in your head rent free. get some help.
every software I use I got for free
not once is Arch mentioned in my post. hope this helps.
Which distro other than arch and few other "elite"/"lightweight" distros don't ship with desktop environment in current year?
MATE and XFCE just work. What's wrong with them?
>Which distro other than arch
I wish I knew. For me it's just Arch and Debian. I am not really insterested in Void or Gentoo.
>There are many other good desktop environments, ie. xfce, mate, budgie.
None of which support Wayland.
>None of which support Wayland.
Why would you use it? I just use whatever is default as long as it works.
Because X is shit and I have more than one monitor.
Wayland is trash. GNOME could be even better if they spent those resources implementing important things such as a filepicker instead of falling for the Wayland shilling.
Sadly, both GNOME and KDE fell hard for the memes and set development back by at least 5 years.
>Wayland is trash.
But it still miles better than X and that's what's important.
Nope, it manages to be even worse than X. After 15 years of development, it still lacks basic features that X provides.
Those "basic features" invited malicious agents into your PC. How is it that you hate systemd for being bloated and insecure yet you praise X for the same thing? Surely you agree that in a perfect world every Linux machine would be running OpenRC along with Wayland right?
>Those "basic features" invited malicious agents into your PC.
They don't since I can into SELinux. It's far easier to use than you think. Besides, there isn't a single documented exploit relying on global key access on X. Remember that Windows works this way too.
>How is it that you hate systemd
I don't. I actually prefer it to the alternatives.
>Surely you agree that in a perfect world every Linux machine would be running OpenRC along with Wayland right?
I don't. OpenRC is a complete joke of an init system, to the point where PARALLEL="YES" is still discouraged from upstream. Even if I were to use something other than systemd, I would greatly prefer something such as runit.
Maybe, just maybe, avoid assuming some imaginary positions before arguing with people on the internet.
>install linux
>have to run an obscure console command so my mouse works
>have to run another console command so my gpu works
>have to install a patch so my cpu works
>have to install a desktop environment so I can actually do shit
>have to install a windows manager
and all this just to end up screencapping a neofetch and going back to windows. sad!
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>things that haven't happened for decades on non-shit distributions
I use it on my higher end rig. You can customize it a lot with extensions etc.
On old hardware, it's not really worth it; MATE uses half as much CPU power when I've tested the two. But on a desktop I don't think it matters as much.
And it's the default because it comes first alphabetically, duh. :^)
>Who the frick uses GNOME?
morons and trannies.
botpost
post neofetch
Gnome is the default GNU desktop environment.
GNOME being against users theming their shit is not exactly great when they have two different adwaitas going on now. I open files and settings and I don't expect to see two windows with a different theme, but here we are. To me that's no less jarring than the sort of example they use to decide that people shouldn't do this. If it's gonna be flatshit, make everything flatshit.
I understand it kinda, there's always gonna be a period of breakage considering it's a whole new library. Unfortunately though, I don't expect most apps we use now will be ported to use libadwaita and be themed "properly" soon. I don't get what you mean with Files and Settings though, they both seem to use the same theme?
not on gnome 42, settings is libadwaita and files is gtk3
This is how files looks. It doesn't have the new adwaita look.
And this is how Settings looks. I don't think I can understand pushing some applications to have a theme that's not consistent instead of just waiting until the essential applications are done.
Also now that I notice, fonts seem blurrier in GTK4.
>GNOME being against users theming their shit
Source for this?
Use Spiral Linux
People with jobs
What's actually wrong with Gnome? Except that feels like a discount Mac desktop
I had a look at https://eylenburg.github.io/de_default.htm and i just dont understand why so many distros default to gnome
It's really not good is it
This website compares the trees while missing the forest.
KDE, in theory, looks like the best desktop environment of all. In practice, it's poorly integrated and a buggy mess.
Besides, GNOME has historically been a safe bet for a default environment for a variety of reasons: it relies on GTK, which has always been licensed under the (L)GPL (unlike Qt, which was originally nonfree), it is actively developed by contributors employed by large corporations and, like it or not, it is actually well integrated. There are of course many legitimate criticisms you can make against GNOME, but it's not hard to see why it is the default on many distributions.
Isnt Qt free/GPL since like 2000? And developed by an actual company?
Also Ive been using KDE since 2014 and never had any trouble. External monitor works, sleeping works, bluetooth works, ...
>Why is Debian's default DE is still GNOME?
Not only Debian. SEL, RHEL, Fedora, Ubuntu ship GNOME by default. It's the one and only enterprise ready stable and polished desktop environment Linux has to offer.
>Who the frick uses GNOME?
People who want to get stuff done instead of changing the themes every afternoon or dbugging why their window or file manager krashed. So pretty much everyone outside the tiny IQfy bubble.
I run GNOME, but I do change the theme every afternoon.
Good for you. Read the post again.
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