Why is Joseph McElroy so overlooked when compared to other post-modern novelists such as Pynchon, DFW or Delillo?
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Why is Joseph McElroy so overlooked when compared to other post-modern novelists such as Pynchon, DFW or Delillo?
Didn't he let his own books go out of print or am I thinking of another writer?
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why this guy won't get more of his books back in print is beyond me. when he inevitably crosses the river within the decade, i'll be forced to pay 200 usd minimum for women and men instead of 100 usd...
And the OP wonders why he's overlooked lmao
he's committing cultural suicide by erasing his work from circulation
Women and men has been reprinted by Dzanc a couple of years ago, you can find it new for like $40 on the Internet.
Still, shame his other books (A Smugglers Bible, Plus etc) are all so expensive because not reprinted.
it's out of print from them too, so it costs 90 to 100 usd for a copy now.
Haven't read anything by him, but I assume it's because he's not as good.
Because he can't write well.
Isn't he like 94 now? I wonder what will happen to his works when he dies will he allow them to go out of print completely thus making them more rare and scarce or will some greedy israeli publisher try and profit from them marketing him as some long lost unacknowledged Underground hidden artist who deserved more attention
I read Cannonball, I liked it.
It felt like a halluncinatory maze, and begged re-reading - but there are better authors to re-read...
I'll still check out his other stuff
>IQfy hates post-modern doorstoppers now
What happened?
We grew up
IQfy only liked during a small window of reddit tourism. The only year McElroy made the list.
They’re TrueLit reddit sloppa
Makes sense. That’s why nu-IQfy thinks troony books are masterpieces.
2016
attention span of the average 19-22 year old who would have picked up IJ or GR has atrophied to the point where that's an impossibility. further, the density books themselves defeat the pseudo-intellectual wiki-browsing glibness that might otherwise keep them in good but ignorant standing
2016 and IQfy doesn’t care about fiction anymore
2016 was the only year McElroy made tge list, newbies. Election tourism was the peak for postmodern trash.
I’ve never even heard of him. I really dislike post-war American literature. For me, American literature starts of incredibly strong with the likes Hawthorne, Poe, and Melville and ultimately culminates in these really unremarkable writers like Pynchon and whoever this guy is. I mean, I read some Nabokov and thought he was a pretty talented writer, but the novels are ultimately forgettable. Blood Meridian was a unique book, but more unique than impressive. I really can’t think of another post-war writer that really knocked my socks off like Melville or Henry James did.
Nabby is ultimately a Russian
Henry James sucks.
You can just say you don't like Post Modernism instead of doomsaying it's not like that's a particularly controversial opinion
truth is, he sucks canal water
He’s not as accessible, I assume.
From what I read…he’s underrated.
He’s been out of print a lot lately. That’s not a good sign
Post-modernists are all about what people they knew, what parties they went to, whose dicks they sucked and so on. Like all post-modernists this guy is boring and no one actually reads his books. Should have had more homosexual scandals to titillate boomer pseuds.
>Post-modernists are all about what people they knew, what parties they went to, whose dicks they sucked and so on.
Proust?
Every single one of them.
I read bits of "Women and Men" online once, and it was really clumsy. Maybe he was doing something purposeful with the style, but it read like it had been translated from another language using bad software.
I'd be willing to give it another shot if it were in print, but I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on a 1200-page book that makes "The Making of Americans" seem elegant.
Post Modernism is just Joyce after births tbh
They aren't skilled enough to make a Ulysses and they aren't daring enough to commit to full avant garde nonsense like Finnegan's Wake.
They're stuck in between the two, wobbling on a tight rope, all of them inevitably tumbling down and spraying their innards everywhere. The audience claps, turns away in disgust, or studies the blood splatters for philosophical meaning.
Joyce was a great artist, it's hard to argue against that. He was the real deal. But the worst thing he ever did was inspire these upjumped socialite college students
joyce is HORRIBLE - you fell for it
filter yourself
I can't in good faith read Ulysses and not think it a great piece, one of the greatest written by man
I'm interested in reading his sci fi novel. The one with a brain in a jar floating around the earth or whatever. Pretty sure I have a digital version, should bump it up my reading list.
That book sucks. Maybe I got filtered but it was truly unenjoyable to read.
I saw someone else say that as well. Still curious to give it a go.
The concept is interesting, as with a lot of McElroy. His execution isn't that good. Plus is still one of his better books. Not as bad as women & men.
But if you want books that seem to have been written in highly autistic and unusual language, Gertrude Stein is far better and has more substance in her works.