What does it truly mean to be a traitor? If my mother and father wants me to renounce my Christian faith and worship Moloch, and I deny them, does that make me a traitor? Do I go to hell?
Betraying someone who trusts you is one of the worst things you can do in life. Even if you don't physically harm that person, you can mentally scar them for life.
The way i interpret it, the divine comedy is a kind of Christian-Platonic process of redemption through knowledge. It starts with doubt and the whole book is then a process of raising up the spirit through knowing. It makes sense to me that the absolute gravest sin is fully knowing the truth, yet choosing to betray it anyway. This is also what Satan did (making this type of sin essentially the origin of evil itself), and Its something that in a platonic worldview should almost be impossible: How can one know the True and the Good fully and still actively choose to reject it? In the Platonic view, all bad things are only due to a lack of knowledge, so how is this possible?
Traitors are disliked by everyone. The people who they betray are backstabbed and the people they defect to see them as slimy and dishonest (even if they will use the betrayal to their advantage)
Same reason that the gravest sin in the Mafia world is snitching: people elevate the practices that are necessary for their way of life to ethical ideals. Living a successful and secure life in Dante's Italy meant you had to rely on bonds of patronage and factional allegiance.
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Then there is obviously Judas Iscariot who is the worst condemned in that circle of Hell.
Same reason that the gravest sin in the Mafia world is snitching: people elevate the practices that are necessary for their way of life to ethical ideals. Living a successful and secure life in Dante's Italy meant you had to rely on bonds of patronage and factional allegiance.
The title of the book is "La Commedia" or "The Comedy", but I would actually translate it as "The Joke". The book is a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Satan is literally hanging upside down in that circle of hell seething, and prior to this everyone Dante personally didn't like is shown being tortured in really exaggerated ways.
It's a joke. I suppose there's probably a lot of literary merit to it in the original Italian but I read it in English so none of that carried over.
Reminder that Dante's Divine Comedy depicts Mohamed as being in hell (Canto 28), and that Gustave Dore explicitly devoted one of his illustrations to this scene, thus giving a visual depiction of Mohamed, which muslims hate.
Please save this image to your computer for future viewing reference (ideally, print out a hard copy), and consider reading Canto 28. For multiple reasons, it is likely that the youngest among you will live to see a day when you will be unable to do either of these things if you fail to act now.
In principle this is a valid question, but there's like this composition with a central figure. There's realy only two candidates, and one of them looks a bit more dramatic. A child could figure it out, or else look up the story details. You're over-thinking it as a young adult.
Traitor in this context doesn't refer to interpersonal relationships, but those traitorous to those in power, those who expose their schemes, those who actively fight against them.
The Tower of Babylon is a pun filled story detailing just that. When the the ruled populace attempted to understand their crazy rulers, who hide under the guise of Judaism and it's offshoots, they were given confusion and internal division. They were "traitorous" and deserved the lowest most horrible circle of hell in the eyes of the rulers.
Pretty easy interpretation: when you turn away from any form of love be that friends, society, family, those are all technically god's love because everyone is made in god's image (in Christian lore). God is unconditional love, warmth, hearth. This is why the lowest circle is traitors, why it is not only that but also traitors in ICE and it contains one of the ultimate traitors: satan himself. He's the source of all of the sin that leads you away from god's love, connection with god. Love and connection are tied things which is why everyone is in ice too and it's an ice prison because they're divorced from any forms of connection because love is connection. All of this is straightforward when you piece it together like this. Obviously the original betrayal will be prisoned here, obviously there's no warmth due to lack of love, prison is control which is basically conceptually antithetical to unconditional love, sin is supposed to control you "sway you" from god's plan, etc. etc. etc.
One of my favorite projects in high school was recreating a version of Dante's hell and I made it into a comedy hell and Betty White was satan. I really loved that project, but it made me sort of fall in love with the concept of the ninth circle.
Because true friendship is the closest thing you can get to the form of the good. So therefore being a traitor is equally as much the form of the bad.
Who could be lower than them?
Being a thieve or murderer is one thing, but turning on a friend?
No one likes traitors.
Trevor Strnad said it best.
Because God is butthurt that his good buddy Satan told him to get stuffed.
because dante is a moron
What does it truly mean to be a traitor? If my mother and father wants me to renounce my Christian faith and worship Moloch, and I deny them, does that make me a traitor? Do I go to hell?
No.
No. Your mother and father are traitors for wishing to sacrifice you to a bronze age bull-deity.
Betraying someone who trusts you is one of the worst things you can do in life. Even if you don't physically harm that person, you can mentally scar them for life.
is there an archive somewhere for artistic renditions of literature? Thinking Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Faust, etc.
The way i interpret it, the divine comedy is a kind of Christian-Platonic process of redemption through knowledge. It starts with doubt and the whole book is then a process of raising up the spirit through knowing. It makes sense to me that the absolute gravest sin is fully knowing the truth, yet choosing to betray it anyway. This is also what Satan did (making this type of sin essentially the origin of evil itself), and Its something that in a platonic worldview should almost be impossible: How can one know the True and the Good fully and still actively choose to reject it? In the Platonic view, all bad things are only due to a lack of knowledge, so how is this possible?
Because dante is antisemitic
To be deceived is a horrible thing.
To see beyond the veil is akin to entering heaven.
Traitors are disliked by everyone. The people who they betray are backstabbed and the people they defect to see them as slimy and dishonest (even if they will use the betrayal to their advantage)
It's a mix of and a bit of
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Then there is obviously Judas Iscariot who is the worst condemned in that circle of Hell.
Same reason that the gravest sin in the Mafia world is snitching: people elevate the practices that are necessary for their way of life to ethical ideals. Living a successful and secure life in Dante's Italy meant you had to rely on bonds of patronage and factional allegiance.
>child rapists and murderers aren’t in the lower circle
lmao can’t take this guy seriously, end of discussion
Anyone that does stuff to children would be there since children trust everyone.
The title of the book is "La Commedia" or "The Comedy", but I would actually translate it as "The Joke". The book is a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Satan is literally hanging upside down in that circle of hell seething, and prior to this everyone Dante personally didn't like is shown being tortured in really exaggerated ways.
It's a joke. I suppose there's probably a lot of literary merit to it in the original Italian but I read it in English so none of that carried over.
Reminder that Dante's Divine Comedy depicts Mohamed as being in hell (Canto 28), and that Gustave Dore explicitly devoted one of his illustrations to this scene, thus giving a visual depiction of Mohamed, which muslims hate.
Please save this image to your computer for future viewing reference (ideally, print out a hard copy), and consider reading Canto 28. For multiple reasons, it is likely that the youngest among you will live to see a day when you will be unable to do either of these things if you fail to act now.
Pic related to above.
Which one of these is mohammed?
In principle this is a valid question, but there's like this composition with a central figure. There's realy only two candidates, and one of them looks a bit more dramatic. A child could figure it out, or else look up the story details. You're over-thinking it as a young adult.
Traitor in this context doesn't refer to interpersonal relationships, but those traitorous to those in power, those who expose their schemes, those who actively fight against them.
The Tower of Babylon is a pun filled story detailing just that. When the the ruled populace attempted to understand their crazy rulers, who hide under the guise of Judaism and it's offshoots, they were given confusion and internal division. They were "traitorous" and deserved the lowest most horrible circle of hell in the eyes of the rulers.
Pretty easy interpretation: when you turn away from any form of love be that friends, society, family, those are all technically god's love because everyone is made in god's image (in Christian lore). God is unconditional love, warmth, hearth. This is why the lowest circle is traitors, why it is not only that but also traitors in ICE and it contains one of the ultimate traitors: satan himself. He's the source of all of the sin that leads you away from god's love, connection with god. Love and connection are tied things which is why everyone is in ice too and it's an ice prison because they're divorced from any forms of connection because love is connection. All of this is straightforward when you piece it together like this. Obviously the original betrayal will be prisoned here, obviously there's no warmth due to lack of love, prison is control which is basically conceptually antithetical to unconditional love, sin is supposed to control you "sway you" from god's plan, etc. etc. etc.
One of my favorite projects in high school was recreating a version of Dante's hell and I made it into a comedy hell and Betty White was satan. I really loved that project, but it made me sort of fall in love with the concept of the ninth circle.
>God is unconditional love, warmth, hearth.
And why would this be a good thing? There are many situations in which unconditional love is the single most disgusting option possible
I never said it was. I'm not religious at all, I was just explaining the context of the text. You should probably stop being so reactionary.
Satan betrayed God and pioneered it.
You’ll understand if you ever get betrayed.