Why is this always on the top lists for best book ever written?
I'm about half way through and it's mostly been bible thumping and three idiot brothers fighting over nonsense. Am I missing something or can only Christians like this book?
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The ending will get you. It's the biggest strike in all of literature
>The ending will get you. It's the biggest strike in all of literature
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Which translation are you reading anon?
The one in the picture.
P&V is dogshit. Either read Constance Garnett or McDuff for an actual good translation.
is this actually true? Everyone seem to recommend p&v
Everybody who? It gets shat on all the time.
I think P&V are OK
Trolls or ESL homosexuals. One of them didn't even know russian at all if I remember correctly. Also, their writing is very literal and feels dull and soulless.
I love P and V for dosto
I think
is exaggerating, but it is true that McDuff provides a more pleasant translation than P&V.
dont forget Avsey!
Yeah I don't get why Dosto is so dearly beloved. When I've tried to read him it's always felt too bleak and sentimental.
“Bible thumping”
You have zero life experience then.
Dosto is the favorite author of people who don't like to read
Pretty heavy reading for people who don't like to read.
agree. his work sounds like a too-deep-for-you fifteen year old, and I automatically distrust those who claim he's their favorite writer. I'm sorry that all that happened to Dostoevsky, but having a shitty life doesn't make your books good.
You might be moronic, I'm sorry
Why are you calling him moronic? I finished reading TBK not too long ago, and also didn't really find it all too remarkable or profound, like everyone likes to say it is. I've searched for reasons why people think this but never really found anything beyond
>Because of my interpretation of it.
Like, what?? Maybe it's because I'm a lay-Guenonian metaphysician, but nothing much in the novel interested me, much less the theological discourse, and certainly not any of the characters, minus Alexey (who I only really liked because he juxtaposed everyone else who just were nothing but toxic).
For the record the books I enjoyed the most this year are The Joke by Kundera (which I found similar to TBK to an extent, but way, way more profound), and Watership Down (for a different reason, obviously, mainly because it was just entertaining).
this book reaffirmed my atheism if that matters, so definitely not only for christians.
generally ivan chapters are highlights of the book for me (see: rebellion, grand inquisitor, and couple of late ones i won't spoil)
the former half is pretty much all buildup, i had trouble with it too. but later half is like 300 pages of payoff.
but if you didnt like a single thing in first half (especially aforementioned chapters and some interesting philosophical arguments here and there) i'd say you got filtered pretty hard
The great inquisitor is one of my most favorite chapters I ever read.
And frick you in advance to the moronic purist pseud who keeps shilling P&V.
Bad translation+you're being filtered.
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Dosto is young adult fiction THOUGHBEIT
You must be a fricking moron. What books do you like?
P&V is the only soulful translation. Cope and seethe
I read the P&V translations because the paperback covers look neat. That’s the only reason.
all dostoevsky except crime and Punishment:
>omg fricking Catholics!
>omg the communism is coming!
>omg I literally hate atheism but also Catholics
>omg Russia is heading for disaster!
>omg why can't you people see that communism is coming!
>omg you fricking morons why didn't you listen to me?! i fricking warned you!
>btw orthodox rules. based. get pwned Romans
lmao every troony shitting on Dosto repeats this kind of platitude every time
>Guenonian
lol
It's true, go to any thread asking litizens to name their top 5 or 10 favorite books and C&P is always the most listed and it's well known this board doesn't read. Who tf cares about 19th century Russian nihilism? Or some drunk guy complaining about his wife?
>lol
What else am I supposed to call it
>omg the communism is coming!
Dosto's criticism misses the onset of communist ideology, it's sources and practices entirely. He stated that the social threat lies in the loss of morality, while in practice it turned out to be an emergence of morality divorced from spirituality.
In Demons and C&P both the antagonist is presented as an individual that divorced their world-view from any form of social ethics in favour of their personal desires. Bolsheviks turned out to be people that replaced their personal desires with an extrim form of ethics that is essentially a secular cult.
In Notes from the Dead house, Dosto repeatedly describes the prison culture as a hidden pillar of Russian self examination and tradition, pointing out that those people, though flawed in their actions, are generally much more moral than law-abiding urbanites, and that prison breeds spiritual awareness. Then the same criminal elements served as the backbone of the October revolution, while most of the Bolshevik leadership spent more time in jail (and in harsher conditions) than Dosto.
There's a reason why Dosto is regarded as a precursor for existentialists, not as a historicist visionary.
>btw orthodox rules
Dosto severely criticized the Orthodox church. He saw it as the Catholic church, but in Russian. All the spirituality in Dosto's novels is specifically greatly divorced from the church.
Seriously did you even read him or "reading Dosto" is just a part of your based trad LARP?
>a major artistic work promoting christianity
>strengthen your gaytheism from reading a book that’s a total take down of it
That's the thing - TBK doesn't really promote Christianity, it promotes internal morality. It was on mandatory school curriculum in USSR for the entirety of it's history, for frick's sake.
I’m not christian but BK is an extremely powerful and compelling work. You are being filtered, as anons ITT have pointed out.
I'm a lifelong atheist but I first encountered The Grand Inquisitor cold at age 18 and I knew right then and there that I was reading something special, the drama of it. I was very satisfied about my taste when I learned just after that it's a famous part of the work. Once I'd completed the book I was again very self-satisfied that I'd read a major artistic work promoting christianity and that I had come away completely unchanged, except for being familiar with the narrative to better reject its implications from a position of knowledge. Except for "without god all is permitted", I agree about that one, but the thing is, I don't find it horrifying like he suggests. The horror of some finite lifespan spent in abject tyranny has nothing on the conception of everlasting suffering, the latter is the talking snake people's department.
So people only like TBK because they've never read any philosophy before? Guess that makes sense.
What are you talking about? The point I was making was that I've skipped the phase of supposed profundity (of something like TBK) by just by chance reading about Traditional metaphysics before hand (something much greater and infinitely more interesting, for me). Perhaps you're right in that this made Dostoyevsky less profound for me. I kind of look down on a lot of modern philosophy now (existentialism, etc.). I just see it as a little childish or pointless. That plus the generally uninteresting plot and bad characters (minus Alexey) just made me not like the book so much. I don't hate it, there is some good in it, but to me it's just 3 stars out of 5.
Are you a moron? How do you strengthen your gaytheism from reading a book that’s a total take down of it
Are you stupid? How do you strengthen your muscle by breaking it down from working out???
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Uhm, thanks anon but I'm saving myself for anotherrrr....
I have tried to get into Dosto but I just can't, I think my main problem is that his characters never feel like real people, just exaggerated archetypes to convey his philosophy through.
It's stood the test of time for countless readers, which is something we can't say for most 19th Century literature, let alone most 20th century literature...
This book gave me a new outlook on life, everyones raving about the grand inquisitor amd other stuff, but for me it was where zosima was talking about his older brother and his own lifestory. Nothing in literature had such a lasting impression on me as these few pages
the scene where he describes walking away from the duel is PURE SOVL and nobody can tell me otherwise
but, in all seriousness, i agree anon. that chapter and the book generally made me a much better person.
Glad you made the same experience. But generally i would say dostoevsky had a net positive on my life, was very helpful in countering my edgy nietzsche phase, i was an easily impressed young adult and thankfully i started feeding my soul lots of dostoevsky, what would you say is your second favorite novel of him after tbk ofcourse? I was pkeasently suprised by demons, way better than the idiot and even takes the edge over crime and punishment in my humble opinion
>When I've tried to read him it's always felt too bleak and sentimental.
It’s really not but thanks for sharing your opinion I guess? What I can say is that it’s definitely not for everyone, but hell, what book is?
Personally I think the prose, characters and story are amazing - they just all vibe together. Also I mean it’s a russian novel so of course it is bleak and sentimental, which I love obviously but if you’re not into that then maybe don’t buy into it.
Idk lots of your points seem like obvious remarks that you could discover by listening an audio book video and deciding whether or not this will be a book you’ll like or not.
Who are you quoting
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It only became a literary meme because homosexual israelite Freud praised one chapter, and astroturfed physics israelite Einstein said he liked it. It's not that good in reality
filtered, im not a christian and this book was still incredibly life-affirming and helped solve a minor meaning crisis that i was going through
if you dont get it youre likely closer to the more cringe, nihilistic characters in dostos books than youd like to believe
Is there any work of Christian literature that surpasses TGI? Besides the Bible, I suppose.
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