why is this considered so mysterious?
its just some schizo secret alchemy/mysticism bullshit
he probably didn't intend it to have a specific meaning
why is this considered so mysterious?
why is this considered so mysterious?
its just some schizo secret alchemy/mysticism bullshit
he probably didn't intend it to have a specific meaning
He was Turkish, no?
Some Turkish guys deciphered most of it, it's a Turkic script. Do a fricking google search holy shit. It's about plants.
>It's about plants.
then whats with the naked women?
Flowers are just plant genitalia
Let me guess, it's yet another "deciphering" that can't actually decipher the whole text, is based on extremely vague concepts, produces intriguing headlines, and then sinks into obscurity.
Just googled it. The Turkic theorist claims to have translated 30% of it. No news about it after 2019. The "finding" was first presented in a Youtube video.
>His submission to the journal Digital Philology was rejected in 2019.[107]
lol
I am fascinated by the efforts to decipher or explain the manuscript, but even more so by the obsessive need of many people to utterly deny anything being interesting about the MS at all, through the formula "it's just X" - while forgetting to account for numerous further questions or aspects that are left unexplained by any of the typical "solutions".
E.g., to OP - yes, I would say that insane alchemy and mysticism from the 15th century in a made-up script is a very, very interesting thing.
If it doesn't have a specific meaning, how is it nonetheless about alchemy or mysticism? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
How many texts from that long ago do we have that had no specific meaning? Fricking zero, writing was meant to communicate some ideas and data, stuff like
appeared only many centuries later when we have already culturally affirmed nonsense (Freud, dada...). Your "explanation" just makes it seem even more unusual and mysterious.
The Codex Seraphinianus is cooler.
If it's about alchemy then why did you say it doesn't have any meaning dumb frick
because ancient alchemy manuals were gibberish
>filtered by alchemy
ngmi
Enjoy your mercury poisoning, bucko.
>Enjoy your mercury poisoning, bucko.
>I don't understand it therefore it must not have any meaning.
I wish you were illiterate.
what was the meaning then
I dunno but it must have meant something to the authors, you don't go around making manuscripts for no reason.
where does the word gibberish come from
Gibberish: /ˈdʒJb(ə)rJʃ/ Unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.
I did not ask for the definition
Are you asking for the etymology? I don't know.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-gib2.htm
Yes anon, you're very clever. You used a word in a way that no-one else does any more, very good.
you're moronic
What, I've been slowed down by something?
Are alchemy manuals some kind of rebus?
Looks to be written in some Sanskrit based language to me.
It isn’t. Stop listening to IQfy.
It is written in a completely unknown script and language in a steadied and practiced hand. Whoever wrote it did so fluidly and naturally. This is remarkable due to the absence of any other examples of this script. Encoded works show hesitation and rigidity while this does not.
Furthermore although undeciphered it shows remarkable characteristics of natural languages though still foreign to Indo-European and other known language families. It is most likely not gibberish but an actual language of some sort recorded in an experienced hand.
That, along with the contents, is what is intriguing about the Voynitch manuscript. There are no other examples of such a work to be found in any script. Here there is an entire codex come seemingly from nowhere, logically structured, detailed, deftly written and illustrated yet of mysterious origin baffling experts to this very day..
You have no clue: it is very Indo European. Specifically Sanskritean.
prove it
protip: you can't and won't.
Is the OPs pic the best/most complete book on the subject? Do you guys recommend anything else? I've heard about the subject but never got in depth with it but this smol thread piqued my interest fr fr no cap bruhs.
Don't know about books about it but the entire manuscript is online
https://collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/2002046
What I find so amusing is people's need to find an answer for it, they NEED to translate it and understand it. They can't accept a position less than understand the whats and whys.
Here's my proposition: some botanist with a lot of free time on his hands and an interest in linguistic semi autisticly created his own language and wrote a book in it.
That's it.
People do this sort of thing today. There are absolutely autists producing nonsense like this today, only they're writing about sonic.
Hell, do you think if Tolkien died obscure and unpublished people would be able to decipher his languages without a real cypher?
It's just some fricking guy entertaining himself. The mystery ends there.
>What I find so amusing is people's need to find an answer for it, they NEED to translate it and understand it. They can't accept a position less than understand the whats and whys.
>proceeds to offer his own theory on the whats and whys (that is obviously not satisfactory for anyone who has even just leafed through the thing)
Ironic.
Tell me why the VM is actually about aliens and secret alchemy and the great hidden secrets of the mystics and not some bored man from long ago indulging in two hobbies simultaneously: botany and linguistics.
Did I say anywhere that it's about aliens? You're precisely falling for the trap that you suggest, that everyone HAS to offer a definitive answer to the nature of the MS.
Did you notice that a good part of it is not, in fact, about botany?
Did you notice that conlangs are a highly modern phenomenon? That linguistics did not really exist in the early 15th century? Scholars back then analysed the grammar of select prestigious languages - Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, maybe Church Slavonic. Not just moving away from that paradigm towards description of natural languages, but outright inventing your own language, is utterly unexpected as far as I see.
I've dealt with enough medieval and early modern texts and manuscripts to find the idea of a bored scholar inventing a whole damn language, refining its script, meticulously writing at the very least 300 pages in it, to be almost as baffling and odd as the claims about the MS's hidden esoteric knowledge.
Ok, let's say it's an invented language. It's still a mystery - how does the grammar and vocabulary of this language work, what previous language knowledge did the inventor of the language possess that he built upon, how did he form the script, how does its orthography function? (That's just about the language, and not about the actual content of the text.)
I agree it's a phenomenal mystery. I enjoy its mystery. I am also happy to see you don't subscribe to the idea it's some angelic language written to give esoteric clues to the nature of reality like so many among it's scholars.
That doesn't mean it's a deep mystery or even one worth deciphering.
Nothing in your post counters my previous, in that all possible explanations are no more substantial than the explanation that a bored person entertaining themselves created this purely for themselves.
Things being uncommon or unexpected or even unprecedented are no reasons to leap to conclusions. Maybe the author was a captain's son and sailed to many countries and enjoyed studying languages, culminating in him creating his own and doodling it down, after goofing around with it for 30 years. People literally do that today.
If Tolkien died unknown and all that was discovered of his works was elvish scripts we'd be in the same boat, but we all know there was nothing more to Tolkien's work than enjoyable stories.
In short, there's nothing to suggest this was created for anything beyond a hobby.
>botany and linguistics.
but. why. the. naked. women?!
cooming
It's been deciphered. Not even esoteric.
It hasn't. Don't trust clickbait headlines.
Kantbot already solved this
True.
What if Voynich Manuscript comes from the future and its script and language simply aren't invented yet? Same goes for plants and aninals. They simply don't exist at the moment.