>Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Black people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?
Was Ali right?
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>Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home
Because if communism won you would have ended up living like the Poles or the Hungarians. Go ask old people in those places how nice it was living under soviet communism.
>we'd be speaking German if not for MUH TROOPS
You mean russian
>if we don't murder Vietnamese farmers and their children and frick up their agricultural capabilities for the next thirty years, the communists WIN
>the Vietnam War, if lost, would have had a substantial impact on anything in America.
>sorry we can't give you equal rights it's uhhhhhh communism n shiet
Why are whites like this?
just don't be communist, problem solved
Maybe it's because they're just so based, God I wish I wasn't latinx
Communism won in vietnam and you can visit right now and enjoy cheap beer and amazing food as well as beautiful scenery as an American citizen.
Communism won in Vietnam and they ended up fighting the Chinese communists shortly after anyway. Any decent analysis would have concluded (and many did) that domino theory was crap.
The greatest enemy of communism is communism, any communism system will inevitably collapse because communism does not work.
>The greatest enemy of communism is communism
So what about the non-commie states that were enemies with each other?
>any communism system will inevitably collapse because communism does not work.
Congo fell before Vietnam
Well hindsight is 20/20. Up until the 60s communism was expanding everywhere anf it really seemed that it needed to be contained otherwise it would take all over the world. By the mid 70s communism had already began to show cracks, and China had already agreed to side with America and open its economy.
So whether libtards believe it or not communism was a real threat to America up until the 70s and Washington was right to step in and stop the communists everywhere.
>If communism won
Like they actually did in Vietnam and literally nothing happened, you dumb frick? The domino theory was wrong from the start. 60 thousand Americans died for frick all reason.
>Because if communism won
It did, and nothing happened lol.
>Go ask old people in those places how nice it was living under soviet communism.
why do /misc/gays do this?
have you ever looked at opinion polls? people who actually lived under that system don't seethe about it
i know the go to response is "nostalgia" or "they wuz brainwashed" but you can't use 2 contradictory copes at once
>muhammad ali
Should have stuck with cassius clay which is arguably a cooler name
Based take
>I ain't want no slave name from the people who enslaved my brothas
>I know I'll pick MUHAMMAD ALI
As a balkaner, hearing american blacks adopt muslim names as a middle-finger to their enslavement is so incredibly moronic.
Your black asses got enslaved by muslim bantus and berbers specifically due to religious reasons.
It's really not moron. Islam has been in Africa since the beginning and many slaves were Muslim. Having to be bound to Christianity because you were forced into it is literally being mentally enslaved and Christianity was often preached to Blacks as way to pacify them.
Read your own post
But most west Africans enslaved and shipped out west weren't by "Muslims"
Read your history, you kind was enslaved long before the slave trade atlantic and long after they were freed in Civil War.
There were no Muslim Bantu in the region American slaves were taken from. They were pagan and christian from south Cameroon to Angola.
West African Muslims were Mande, Fulani, and Hausa for the most part.
They converted to Islam thanks to the Marabouts.
Yeah well religious reasons>racial reasons. You can change your religion, you can't change your race. Also the Muslims didn't practice chattel slavery so American blacks have a very different point of view of slavery.
>Also the Muslims didn't practice chattel slavery
They did.
Technically outside of the Horn and Egypt/NA, Christianity in the colonial era was spread through a hyper accelerated version of what Egyptians underwent to get pressurized/coerced into covering into Islam over many centuries.
>Bantu
>Muslims in West Africa
They barely even exist in West Africa you dumb South Slav. Bantu doesn't equal "black people who aren't from the Horn".
No Black person, Muslims used to slave people with all shades, why would blacks hate it?
>As a balkaner
The ones who converted to Islam got a good deal out of it.
>Ignores Black Muslim Kingdoms
>Ignores he choose to call himself that instead of slave name giving by his irish slaves.
Nothing hypocritical about it.
And you shouldn't talk Balkaner about enslavement Ottoman buck.
Honestly, reading about Muhammad Ali and Black Panther Party and other crazy leftists from the 50s/60s/70s made me realize the US government was surprisingly very tolerant of all these celebs literally openly calling for the destruction of America. Like in any other country they'd be shot. And yet leftists still cry about muh cia boogyman
They literally did shoot the deputy chairman of the Black Panthers and Martin Luther King.
They stalked and gaslighted Hemmingway to suicide for being a communist.
Based if true and they should do it again
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery
>communists literally commit armed robbery and murder
>robbers taken in alive, not shot by firing squad for literally being terrorists trying to overthrow the country
>their son gets elected district attorney of a major city
This shit wouldn't happen in any other country. The sheer amount of tolerance and patience shown to people literally trying to sink the boat we're on.
As it says, in the only official motto of the United States of America, "In God we trust."
>in the only official motto of the United States of America, "In God we trust."
The official motto of the U.S.A. is "e pluribus unum".
That is a motto but it is not the one and only official one.
This. Burgers have no idea how good they have it.
Yeah, we know. Meanwhile non Leftists get completely fricked over 24/7 and they still have the gall to claim they are the oppressed ones.
Yes, you shouldn't expect people who you treat at sub-humans to go and die for you.
America is still your home and a man defends his country. You were never entitled to human rights, you have to fight for it. that's not how it ought to be but how it is. Black servicemen and women did just this, and it worked, it is why Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, because he remembered, he could not deny it any longer.
>drop bombs and bullets on Brown people
The DRV were a bunch of thugs, if you could see what they were doing to the Montagnards and other groups you would hate them as much as the KKK and southern confederate slaveowners. Evil comes in many forms.
>a man defends his country
From what? Vietnam was never a threat. America doesn't invade countries to protect itself it invades to loot and plunder for the elites.
>You were never entitled to human rights, you have to fight for it.
African American soldiers in WW2 were treated worse than Nazi prisoners and there was an epidemic of lynching black soldiers who were seen with uniforms on.
Communist China was arming north Vietnam with Soviet weapons and training. It was a proxy war preventing the spread of communism/capitalism (depending on which side you were on). It was a very real symbolic threat (kek) AND a much better alternative to global thermonuclear war. Itwas the cold war anon, all kinds of horrid decisions were made to keep warring over nonsense without nuclear war. Blame France for frick sake, demanding their colonies be restored after laying down to Hitler.
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I think that is arguing a different question though. There are three questions then:
1. Was it justified for the US to fight a war in vietnam?
2. Was it right to force US citizens to fight against their will?
3. Was it right to do #2 even if you don't provide the same citizen with the rights they are supposed to be defending?
So question 1... yes, I agree with you.
Question three is the problem. It's was created by question 2. Solving question 2 solved question 3
2. Was it right to force US citizens to fight against their will?
3. Was it right to do #2 even if you don't provide the same citizen with the rights they are supposed to be defending?
Yes and yes.
Look what happened to US citizens without a draft AND how far down the shitter we've gone since the fall of the CCCP.
40% (on a good day) don't even bother voting anymore. Your 3 questions make it very clear you misunderstand what america is. America has always been business at any cost. Nothing gets in the way of America doing business, not communism, not nationalism, not terrorism. Having moey markets might, that was a mistake for most Americans but the elite get rich and stay rich in that market so there's no stopping that either.
*money, not moey
And I left out kings, kings and being a colony didn't stop theUS from doing business and niether did a civil war.
Vietnam was a threat to the Montagnards, after their victory the DRV immediately began exterminating them as well as driving millions of refugees out of the country. They had a program to extract comfort women from them, many of whom were underage girls.
>African American soldiers in WW2 were treated worse
They were, then because they had fought they were not treated as badly. Their service motivated Eisenhower to send the 101st to Little Rock. That is the harsh reality, you have to fight and earn your rights.
I get the impression you're not really grasping the concepts I'm trying to explain here. They are rather simple concepts too.
> that's not how it ought to be but how it is.
Nah, that's how it ought to be. Know history and how your country came to be. If you don't like it, go someplace more agreeable OR fight for change.
USA's beginnings aren't pretty at all. It's always been about business and business owners being able to keep profits at any cost. ANY cost.
Post his anti-miscegenation quote, the "green-eyed Black children" one.
Straight from the horse's mouth.
>I'm sure no intelligent white person watching this show, no intelligent white man in his or her right white mind, want black boys and black girls marrying their white sons and daughters, and in return, introducing' their grandchildren as half-brown, kinky-haired black people
[Open]
If they only knew
>t.le 20% buck breaker face
Destroyed that pompous fricking brit.
Based
He was right. Ali saw wealthy white Americans able to avoid the draft while blacks could not even flee to Canada or Mexico (treatment of blacks was shit in those countries as well) not to mention it tales money they didn't have to flee. They were trapped in white America with more but still very few options.
>Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam
Brown people in vietnam?
Tanned?
That's not tanned
That's your natural skin color, asiatic
You modern-day asiatics wish you were White, that's why you bleach you skin, put on cosplay make-up and get plastic surgeries
You're a brown manlet with a flat face, black slanted eyes, black thin/balding hair and wide nose. You're not White. Get a mirror.
There's no other race besides the asiatic race that is as delusional, self-hating and obsessed with White people as
they bleach babies too?
pretty based tbh
man those are some ugly fricking babies
Says the guy that looks like a gorilla, to the point not even AI can make distinctions.
>Says the guy that looks like a gorilla
I'm not black you moron
Calm down dumb Black person, i'm not even asian.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649797847/documenting-the-history-of-mob-violence-against-african-american-veterans
>A large number of African-American military veterans were murdered by lynching after returning from war. An annual re-enactment of a lynching in Alabama tells one such story.
>In Montgomery, Ala., earlier this year, social justice advocates unveiled a memorial to thousands of African-Americans murdered by lynch mobs. And the activists discovered something that many people didn't know. The prime targets for lynchings have included military veterans, men who served their country and then came home. Here's Jay Price of member station WUNC.
>JAY PRICE, BYLINE: Sometimes it took almost nothing to trigger the violence against black veterans - disagreeing with a gas station attendant or a bus driver - or simply laughing, like 19-year-old Army veteran J.C. Farmer did while clowning around with a friend at a bus stop in Sims, N.C., in 1946. A police officer took offense. They argued. And within hours, a mob shot Farmer dead.
>BRYAN STEVENSON: The military has always enjoyed a kind of deference and respect and honor. And it was hard to navigate that for white Southerners when they were dealing with black veterans coming back home.
>PRICE: New York University law professor Bryan Stevenson leads the Alabama-based Equal Justice Initiative, which built the National Memorial for Peace and Justice, also known as the lynching memorial. He says black veterans often felt empowered by their military service, especially after World War II when more than a million African-Americans were in uniform.
>STEVENSON: Except their wearing the uniform - that was a provocation. And many of them would be asked to take off their uniforms and walk home in their underwear or naked in some optic of humiliation. And they would resist. And there would be conflict, and there'd be violence.
Yes he was. And his timing was right because the whole concept of who and how people participate in war was up for renewed debate.
Civil War:
> the enemy has agreed to start the battle at 10 AM
> now you march across that field
> you're all going to die, but you'll do it for the honor of the gals back home
WW1:
> now here's the plan. you run screaming across that 300 yards of open ground
> on the other side are as many men with machine guns.
> now, out of the 100 of you, 3 might make it to their line.
> but this is important...
> if you get there, you are ORDERED to destroy their headquarters
Korea:
> we need you to fight the Chinese, while calling them Korean
> we need you to do this so China doesn't get any bad ideas
Vietnam:
> if you let the Vietnamese run their own country, how will we be able to look France in the eye again?
Meanwhile:
> if you refuse to join, we'll throw you in jail for treason
> if you join but won't fight (or are afraid to fight), we'll shoot you for cowardice
> if you develop a mental disorder as a result of the fighting, we'll send you to the front of the line to cure you.
The all-volunteer army solved many of America's problems.
bait thread, probably to rile up the racists. seriously, go back to
or twitter or wherever the frick.
yes, not even a question
The fact that he thinks he's the same as the Vietnamese because of skin tone tells you a lot.
That he was right
Ah yes, the "I don't know what a tan is" school of history.
>my shovel head, flat face, wide nose, slanted eyes, black eyes, black hair, bald-like hair and manlet body is just a tan!
Don't care, not black.
Neither are Dravidians and abbos for the record.
Then what is Black? You can't just region lock it to West Africa only.
>what is black
its Black folk
*homies
Then consider White History are Britons, Eastern Europeans and Germanics Black folk?
>A noble
>Doing Yard work under sun
>just a tan
He didn't say Viets are Black. Learn to read, you fricking subhuman
He describes them with the same term, thus identifying with them. He's trying to point out how he, as a dark-colored person, should side with other people who he describes as "brown," making this "parallel" obvious. And his word choice of this statement evokes the idea that skin tone is the exact fundamental reason why he wants to oppose the war. It basically says like, if he considered them all as white people, it would be okay with him and he might not have a reason to oppose it, but since they are "brown people" according to him, he has a unique problem with it and a unique reason to oppose the war since he explicitly identifies himself as being a "Black" in the same sentence, thus trying to draw a connection between him and them. But the reality is that human differences run much deeper than skin tone, so his "appeal" ultimately misses the mark.
Of course, what he assumes in his argument also is that the whole point of the war on the American side is just to attack them for racial reasons, and he can't see how it might be possible that communism might be harmful to all of mankind and that it would be good, for everyone in the free world, to stop it; he is unwilling or unable to think in those terms. He only thinks in terms of what the communist agenda wants, which is that those of European descent are bad, and that everyone who has a darker skin color, no matter what, should necessarily be against them - exactly what Mao Tse Tung wants him to think. No further thought required. Or so they would like, but things are far from being that simple.
Black and brown aren't the same, moron. He was speaking to Americans, moron.
because you could be denied life if it was so wished by your masters, so you ought to serve them loyally.
Yeah, of course he was right. Why would you die for a country that hates you?
Black people should put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while their own people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights, because I never heard anything about that from the Lousiville Times.
I might have missed it if I hadn’t been checking the local papers regularly for awhile, as I was in Vietnam in 1972. And as for 10,000 miles, it was 15,000 for the first few years, and went up to 20,000+ when the body count really started rising. They didn’t drop any bullets and bombs, but they sure did burn a lot of bridges and kill a lot of livestock and farm animals, all in accordance with their stated goal of “destroying the base area [of the Viet Cong]” and that was pretty effective.
I wonder if I'll live to see right wing americans realize they'd be better off if communism had won and they've been rooting for the bad guys.
Communism losing is why they're putting you in the pod. That's why you'll be eating the bugs. This is what happens when only the capitalist class has armies.
I do suspect communism will win in the end. What this delay has done is make sure we'll go through another apocalypse or two first