Why was corporal punishment abolished in the west and why is it seen as barbaric?
I'm sure there's a lot of people who would be far more scared of being whipped than having to pay a fine for petty crime. And i really don't think it's in any way more barbaric than depriving someone of most civil rights and putting him into a cell.
Why not go back to beating thieves with a cane? Most places that still do this are generally safer than your average yuro country.
If I was stolen from, I'd rather get several times the money back.
Compensating victims is a given of course, corporal punishment or not. But thieves usually also pay a fine to the government and/or doing time
because that would be racist
Because it caused massive riots and, in America in particular, it was a trigger for early school shootings.
>Because it caused massive riots
Name one
Pretty much any student attack on a teacher while it was still going on.
so not a riot then you disingenuous namegay frick, can you just go hang out on IQfy or /lgbt/ already
I imagine most parents don't want a stranger hitting their children
because laws expanded down, aka lower classes of the society get co opted into nobility rights and privileges
It's better to do this though than giving someone a permanent record.
Some kids are downright bullies and deserve it.
What makes you think there wouldn't have been a permanent record alongside the punishment itself? There certainly would have been and unless you emigrated elsewhere you'd be a known criminal. That's how it was historically anyway. Not to mention, depending on the punishment, there would have likely been scars or maiming which would have identified a person as someone who had been caught for a crime.
>Some kids are downright bullies and deserve it.
Dubs of truth
>your average yuro country
Your average European country is safe enough that there's no pressure for more drastic measures.
It's not actually a more drastic measure i think. I'd call depriving someone of his freedom for say three months for theft more drastic than 15 hits with a cane.
And almost all european countries are less safe than singapore and iran. For other reasons, too, of course, but i do think it's a factor.
I'm not talking about children, you shouldn't hit children. I am talking about actual criminals
Pretty sure there's also corporal punishment without prison time in singapore
It depends which penal system. 3 months in a typical low security prison in Germany or another European country is definitely more lenient than 15 strokes of a Singaporean cane. Caning in Singapore and Malaysia is more painful than that practiced in many other countries and usually leaves serious scarring. Overall Singapore is very safe but IIRC Italy and some of Central Europe rank similarly for homicide rates, though petty crime is more prevalent. In much of Europe nonviolent crime is treated with some lenience, but if it turns violent or a weapon is merely drawn the legal system gets stricter.
I’d probably prefer permanent disfigurement from the cane rather than having to follow a prison routine for 3 months. On the thread’s topic: Maybe one of the risks is that you can’t really guarantee safety. You could do some serious damage with a cane. What about using a branding iron? I guess the drawback there is you never stop being an outlaw from the perspective of others.
Low security prisons are usually more like cheap motels you need permission to leave. Even for inmates convicted of violent offenses the rules might allow day leave if they're no longer dangerous.
You're still in there with a lof of low impulse morons and you're deprived of personal freedom. I still think i'd prefer the cane
Look up the details of caning procedure in SE Asia. It turns a cane-shaped strip of skin to pulp and leaves scarring after weeks of healing. As another anon mentioned, caning is imposed alongside prison terms.
>Singapore
tiny mega-rich city state
>Iran
Totalitarian theocratic regime that would never ever lie to the international community.
These are the best examples you have? Wow, how pathetic.
At least in Singapore, caning is imposed in addition to prison terms.
Moral tingles are more important than anything to the mentally ill eurocuckold
Yeah, this is why they had no crime in the 19th century.
It'll only make people even more violent and the deterrence it has is more than questionable. Also, what if you're convicted on fabricated or false charges? What if a dictators takes power and now gets his hands on these normalized punishments? Would you give a sadist in the police force or a special agent in an ABC organization the power to torture people? Probably yes, because you're moronic. Gladly most people are not. Prison does a fine enough job.
>Most places that still do this are generally safer than your average European country.
blatant lie
>It'll only make people even more violent
False.
>the deterrence it has is more than questionable.
Also false.
The main reason a lot of things aren't done is because some guy who runs a tv news network will traumatize his audience with footage of corporal punishment as a way to turn his audience against it. It is actually very effective and would shut down crime and spare many people from being victims of crime, but some guy from ADL or whatever would have the TV networks make a big song and dance about it and deliberately misrepresent the facts to a large audience of millions, just like they do with edited footage of things today.
>what if you're convicted on fabricated or false charges?
You could say this for any punishment though.
>What if a dictators takes power and now gets his hands on these normalized punishments?
Putting people in solitary confinement and subjecting them to acute sensory deprivation and other psychological techniques are already being used. The problem is that they aren't really effective deterrents to criminals for the same reasons because they do harm that is simply less visible but often times more lasting.
>Would you give a sadist in the police force or a special agent in an ABC organization the power to torture people?
Three things here. Firstly, there are also people abusing the current way of doing things right now. For example, peaceful pro-life protestors have been swatted by Merrick Garland's DOJ and put in prison, even though that goes against the 1st amendment. Various people who are political targets, or political prisoners, are subjected to adverse conditions that harm their health and/or mental health already. This situation would be the same, regardless of methods used, to be honest. That's point 2.
If anything, people in 1st world countries might actually think twice about using such highly visible punishments against those who everyone knows haven't actually done anything wrong. And they aren't really torture.
>Various people who are political targets, or political prisoners, are subjected to adverse conditions that harm their health and/or mental health already.
I know this happens in the US and maybe a few other 1st world countries but it's not the norm where prison terms for minor or political crimes are rarer or suspended or where prison conditions are more strictly monitored.
The problem with the prisons is kind of getting off subject but it's largely just based on the fact that so many people are going around breaking laws regularly, which is something that would be fixed by having something like we used to have before the television era where manufactured outrage became far more weaponized. We could fix these crime problems very easily if we wanted to. And no, I'm not talking about using torture, if anything what we have now is closer to that. We have to talk to people in a language they understand, and criminals understand the idea of getting beaten with a stick. They don't understand getting treated with kid gloves, so they repeat crimes again and again.
Also, I would not in the least bit mind the fact that violent criminals who are convicted are beaten or were beaten in the past because that's justice, they are a menace and it's what they honestly deserve as punishment. Prison just doesn't do anything to change this. What we see today, with people like Darrell Brooks in Wisconsin and others running around killing people with a car, because nobody ever stopped or discouraged them their whole lives (even after their killing spree) and having a culture of crime being considered "normal" and normalized is far worse. The reason things changed to what they are today is ultimately because of television, and later cell phones and internet, but still with the same ADL or SPLC frauds who go around deceptively editing videos and selectively misrepresenting facts on a massive scale. Basically they act like satan himself or one of his agents with the way they twist and skew things near constantly without any repercussions. They constantly come up with new stuff like accusing people of this -ism or that -ism or whatever else. That is why there's a culture of crime that festers from that, and hence, a prison problem and everything else downstream from that.
The people who pay the price for this are those who get mowed down by Darrell Brooks or similar - such as the trans shooter or whatever - and the ones who profit from this situation are the media mafia (you know who I'm talking about).
It depends on the criminal. Some are too stupid or mentally ill to understand, and some can learn with milder deterrents. Physical discipline might be useful for violent offenders who are too brutal and stubborn for lesser methods but I wouldn't rush to use it as long as removal of privileges and sensory deprivation are available.
>removal of privileges and sensory deprivation are available.
If you're talking about acute sensory deprivation you are basically already on the same level as torturers because that's what that is.
That's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that the ship can be righted and the order of things can always return. If people in media would stop kvetching all the time and promoting deliberate falsehoods, creating all these narratives and saying things over and over like a broken record, which are easily proven false. The core of that problem however is that there is no easy solution to this. You can't do something as simple as bringing stronger slander laws to stop them from systematically lying. What happens is, the same pests would only abuse that very thing against normal people who disagree with them. Empowering the government, or trying to use anything like that to enforce the truth, won't turn out well. Even if in theory this could be used to stop them. In practice such a thing will just be twisted against normal people. Indeed, that's why you see, they are the ones always pushing to censor people who say true things. It's never those guys being fact-checked or penalized for saying things that are slanderous and demonstrably false, even though they are. Somebody should, ideally, be penalizing them somehow when they cause harm in this way. For instance when they groom children to mutilate themselves. They say their falsehoods are "truth" (wokism), and anything really true but inconvenient in relation to that, such as biology, then becomes "misinformation" or "malinformation" to be penalized.
Instead of relying on slander and malpractice laws to stop this and to stop their bioweapons (which would be great if they couldn't corrupt that process), it comes down to having the 2nd amendment and everyone being armed is the answer. That's basically where it's come down to. Of course, they will kvetch about that too, but it must be ignored.
Take your meds and not cocaine
You're just not articulate, anon.
I'm not the one who takes 2000 words to say "da jooz"
I actually self-medicate with cocaine
blablabla not going to put up with this nonsense. Just move to Afghanistan if you want to see people getting hands chopped off for supposedly stealing a loaf of bread. But you guys never do, because you deep down know what moronic contrarian opinions you hold. All fields for this dumb thread
>Just move to Afghanistan if you want to see people getting hands chopped off for supposedly stealing a loaf of bread.
That's what you want?
>corporal punishment means cutting off hands for alleged theft
Nice strawman, low iq moron can't even comprehend the thread
>jihadists cut off hands, that's why you shouldn't beat thieves with a cane
>it's much more civilized and humane to lock them up in a damp cell with a bunch of other criminals
homosexual
There equity where everybody is equally miserable, I suppose. I guess the whipping arm began to ache after a while.
Because israelites are physically weak and don't want don't want to get hurt or die
>jews go to prison
Lmfao
You will likely die in Florida if you're committing a crime in public so I don't know what you're talking about.
I agree. Minor crimes should get capital punishment and property confiscated to compensate the victim. Murderers, rapists, and repeat offenders should be executed.
I miss the old times when even the executioner was well dressed.
FOUCAULT, DISCIPLINE AND PUNISH
(You dont have to swallow Foucault wholesale, he is an extremely sharp critic of what appear to be progressive institutions and shows how medicine, psychology, criminal punishment and liberal education are actually destroying human freedom.)