>It was used for more useful things
No it wasn't. The Spanish Inquisition just forbade all scientific inquiry and technological progress because allowing it would make people follow empirical methods of investigation, thus chipping on the Roman Catholic Church's official position that Aristotelian syllogistic logic was the only method towards scientific truth. Doubting even a single part of the works of Aristotle would mean casting doubt on the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, the doctor of the church.
How could people enquire as to thermodynamic cycles used to explain the thermodynamic principles of steam engines except by observing their functioning? How could people build spinning jennies and looming machines if they had to peer into works on mechanics made by Protestants? Spanish authorities would not allow people to cast doubt on the idea that progress could happen except by the means of faith and following commands from higher authorities. Self-reliance was almost heretical to them, and any form of entrepreneurship had Hebraic undertones to it. Capitalism would've been rejected by Spanish colonial authorities just as it would've been by Chinese communist authorities.
>How could people enquire as to thermodynamic cycles used to explain the thermodynamic principles of steam engines except by observing their functioning?
First functionable steam engine was invented by a Spaniard during the 16th-17th century #facts #btfo #pinchegringo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jer%C3%B3nimo_de_Ayanz_y_Beaumont
You can find steam engine-like contraptions and mechanisms dating as far back as the days of the Roman Empire, but it wasn't until James Watt that steam engines reached a level of efficiency required to propel rotary mechanisms. It's a well-known fact that early steam engines were all highly inefficient, and it was only until people had achieved sufficient knowledge of thermodynamic principles like Boyle's law that the efficiency of an engine could be measured and that it was possible to plan out improvements to it using analytical methods. A few of James Watt's other inventions, like the centrifugal governor and the sun-and-planet gear would've been impossible to describe mathematically prior to the formulation of Newton's laws of motion, and greatly aided in the use of power generated by steam engines to provide rotary motion at a constant, steady speed.
>liberalism was literally invented by Spanish jesuits
Damn, when you put it like that the Anglo-Saxon Freemasonic Communist Nazis Protestants WERE super fricking based!
Liberalism isnt inherently bad but angloids turned it into a machine to kneel to Black folk
2 months ago
Anonymous
Either way, the real problem with Spain was its own despotism and unwillingness to platform the reformers and developers in its realms.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Spain culling the reformers is the main reason it didnt have a Black person tier shitfest like the thirty year war or french war of religion
2 months ago
Anonymous
Being the strongest and most stable Catholic monarchy doesn't really mean a lot when the devastation of the European religious wars brought about the anticlericalism responsible for much of the development of the Enlightenment. Certainly Spain developed through that in the 20th century, but prior to that it had fallen behind due to its unwillingness to share any amount of power.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Enlightenment sparked the french revolution which was the worst thing to ever happen on earth so idk
2 months ago
Anonymous
yes the revolution was the problem, not the hippie socialists thinking they could will a utopia into existence
2 months ago
Anonymous
The revolution was a masonic plot from the beginning. There was miterally no viable reason for it to happen. The insurgees were a bunch of marginals comparable to today antifas
2 months ago
Anonymous
>the masons
god forbid men talk to each other outside of church, right María del Rosario Cayetana Paloma Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Fernanda Teresa Francisca de Paula Lourdes Antonia Josefa Fausta Rita Castor Dorotea Santa Esperanza Fitz-James Stuart, Silva, Falcó y Gurtubay, Décimo Octava Duquesa de Alba?
2 months ago
Anonymous
This but unironically
>No it wasnt
Why isnt there anything equivalent anywhere in europe then?
https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-spanish-engine
This an article that came with the english wikipedia article, it mostly support what I say, it wasnt quite comparable to latter steam engine but was as good as it cousl get for the time
2 months ago
Anonymous
YWNBLXIV.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It mentions a rudimentary steam powered water pump but thats as good as it gets
2 months ago
Anonymous
It precedes from a century newcomen engine and was similar enough. Of course it was rudimentary there was no mean to do better at the time.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Its a worthless and primitive design that died there, closer to a toy, its not mentioned any further because once yous ee the design it comes out as a nearly useless water pump without much practical use. Even in the quoted references is barely mentioned as a sidenote. Doing failed designs that led nowhere is not an achievement
2 months ago
Anonymous
Funny how all of that apply to the viking "discovery" of america 😉
2 months ago
Anonymous
A pump turbine is a huge deal, considering that most of the land reclamation we've done has only been done since the invention of it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Its not a turbine, its a pump by compression.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It was as good as it could get for this time. Stop seething.
The main purpose here was to reject the idea that innovation was somehow banned in Habsburg Spain, not to say that this guy was as important as James Watt, just like leif erikson wasnt as important as columbus
2 months ago
Anonymous
>innovation was somehow banned in Habsburg Spain >idea is forgotten immediately and was so rare/never existed as to not have a single surviving example
2 months ago
Anonymous
>It was as good as it could get for this time
No it wasnt. Thats why it died there. There is also no evidence that it worked (probably didn't considered no other mention of anything alike comes from spain)
This is the "engine"
Is a very primitive pump by compression that works the same way roman ones everyone used until then did.
I meam clearly innovation wasn't banned, seems that they even wanted to prompte it, It was just struggling a lot coming lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
>No it wasnt
Why isnt there anything equivalent anywhere in europe then?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Why isnt there anything equivalent anywhere in europe then?
What? A compression pump? Because it would be more efficient fuel and energy wise to do it yourself than use that. Without suction is a dead end, in fact savery steam engine is not remembered as a great deal compared to newcomen's because remains a primitive pump.
Like why you would use a bag to carry aples instead of a cart with squared wheels you would better use a regular pump over that
2 months ago
Anonymous
The point here isn't the practicability but the innovation itself.
The first usable steam engine was invented in Spain, just not at the right time for it to have a larger impact.
2 months ago
Anonymous
innovation would mean they actually went somewhere with the innovation. the french were making metal lathes 100+ years before the british but it went nowhere because nobody saw the value
this is ultimately the problem with monarchies/hyper centralized governments throughout history as the eggheads mostly just made toys for the wealthy and advancement was very slow
2 months ago
Anonymous
I would say the problem comes whenever you persecute criminals and scoundrels that go around your authority too heavily. In Britain, that's just a member of parliament, or the friend of a member of parliament, so everybody important benefits from their circumvention, which can also lead to scientific development.
It's also why totalitarian governments that can't get into that grow stagnant.
To continue on this, the Industrial Revolution did not begin in Spain itself until after the Bourbon restoration with the confiscation of church properties. There were some factories prior to the French invasion of Spain, mainly weapons and ship factories, but they were comparable to their Medieval Italian counterparts rather than to anything we'd associate with modern mass-production. Confiscating large plots of land from the Church allowed for investors to come to purchase empty tracts of land for the sake of establishing mines, factories, building modern, sturdy roads. Although there had been some attempts to establish cotton mills in certain parts of Spain, mainly the Basque Country and Catalonia, they were mostly propelled by foreign investors from the United Kingdom. Heavy manufacturing only really started kicking off after 1833, during the reign of Queen Isabella II. Prior to the establishment of the Higher Polytechnic School of Alcoi (located in the Valencian city of Alacant/Alicante), there were no schools in Spain dedicated to training engineers, unlike in Britain and Germany. The industrial revolution in Spain was very much associated with the spread of liberal thinking and the adoption of laissez faire policies by the Spanish government, which were strongly opposed by the conservative Spanish landowners, who saw industrial development and capitalism as a threat to their traditional way of life. One may find similar narratives of opposition by aristocrats largely dependent on the riches of land to modernity in other countries, such as Germany, the United Kingdom, and France, but in Spain it was exceptionally evident due to its status as a stronghold of the Roman Catholic Church.
Even throughout the 19th century, some of the richest people in Spain were not factory owners and industrial barons, but rather Cuban sugarcane plantation owners. Parallels to the Antebellum American South and the Brazilian Empire are unavoidable in this case.
>nooo you must send children die to the death in coal mines for israelitesih industrialist that's what modernity is all about
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Anonymous
People were dying in mines in El Potosi and Zacatecas long before the Industrial Revolution took place. The big difference was that with the Industrial Revolution, people weren't just mining iron to make swords to kill people with and sliver to make ornaments for Spanish prostitutes, but also iron to make steam beams and coal to power steam engines.
>hyper federalist moneyed establishment based on imperialism >braindead masses >no cultural understanding of liberalism
three strikes you're out
Stop being spanish spic
Short sighted Hispanic moronation
Imagine being given a massive economic headstart and squandering it all on fancy church’s and continental European wars (that you end up losing).
>poster count isnt going up
Literally boiling. Imagine being this obsessed.
Also liberalism was literally invented by Spanish jesuits, but anon would rather give his worthless opinion on a topic he doesnt know at all
>liberalism was literally invented by Spanish jesuits
Damn, when you put it like that the Anglo-Saxon Freemasonic Communist Nazis Protestants WERE super fricking based!
A battle fought for no reason. Most of the Balkans remained under Ottoman domain till the 19th century, when countries like Serbia and Greece declared their independence from the Ottoman Empire. Miguel de Cervantes lost an arm in vain while Greek boys' asses kept getting plowed by Turkish wieners.
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But it stopped ottoman expansionism for decades into the rest of the mediterranean. It is regarded as one of the most important battles to defend Europe.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Europe
Which Europe? Protestant Europe? Slavic Europe? Orthodox Europe? Because I sure as hell don't think Lepanto made lots of Bosnians convert back to Christianity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I mean the rest of Europe, west europe. Is it so difficult ot udnerstand that if the ottomans would have won that battle they could have expanded further west and that they losing stopped or slowed down their expansion? It isn't rocket science.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Well, it sure as hell wasn't enough to stop the Ottomans from being at the gates of Vienna in 1683. You're making Lepanto sound like it was the Ottoman Stalingrad or sometning that permanently reversed their tide of expansion, when it just temporarily put it on hold. Barbary pirates from the Ottoman Empire still harassed European merchant ships all the way till the 19th century, and Europeans were still being sold into slavery until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So that battle is just a meme, that is what you are saying. It's regarded as one of the most important battles ever to defend Europe and for you all of that is just an invention?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Well, it sounds like the equivalent of what the Battle of Agincourt was in the greater context of the Hundred Years' War, a victory that led to some temporary advantage for one side but ultimately failed to turn the tide in the battle's winner's favor.
2 months ago
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Turkroach gigacope. Lepanto did stop the progression of the Ottomans into the western med. They continued to be threat for central and eastern europeans but not for western ones.
The Ottomans that besieged Vienna in 1683 were already a mere shadow of their former glory.
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>The Ottomans that besieged Vienna in 1683 were already a mere shadow of their former glory.
They literally threatened the capital of the fricking Holy Roman Empire, Vienna. Lepanto's just some gay town in Gayreece, a country deep in Southern Europe almost on the edge with Gaysia. Besides, as I said it yesterday, Lepanto did NOT stop the Balkans from falling to Turkish hands. If Lepanto had actually driven away all and every single Turk from EVROPA, then maybe you'd have an argument, but nah, they still had much of the Balkans for hundreds of years.
Besides, the Ottomans also conquered much of Northern Africa, meaning that they didn't just control the Eastern Mediterranean but also much of the Western Mediterranean.
On the other hand, the Battle of Vienna DID drive the Ottomans off Austria and Hungary, thus leaving those lands free from the yoke of footstool Turks. Imagine what if the Ottomans had actually won the Battle of Vienna. Then they would've threatened the rest of Germany and instead of just having the Balkans, they would have also had one of the richest and most densely populated countries in all of Europe.
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>the capital of the fricking Holy Roman Empire
The HRE was a lesser power since westphalia. France, Spain and increasingly England were the powerhouse of europe during that era. >Lepanto did NOT stop the Balkans from falling to Turkish hands
Why would Spaniards give a shit about the balkans? Their goal was tp secure their territory in the south of Italy which they did > but also much of the Western Mediterranean.
They had a loose control over alger and tunis and no controm over morrocco, dumbass >the Battle of Vienna DID drive the Ottomans off Austria and Hungary,
Yes it was important but the Ottomans were at the height of their military might in the middle of the 16th century, not in the late 17th century. As I said they were a shadow of their former self by then
2 months ago
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>France, Spain and increasingly England
Oh and the Dutch
2 months ago
Anonymous
The >H>R>E was pretty important on its own right. I like my arepas and all, but I admit that towns like Linz and Leipzig were more important than Arequipa and Tantoyuca. I mean, Spain DID own a lot of land at it peak, but so did Russia, even though I'd hardly call most of that land "valuable".
Besides, England in the 17th century was hardly as much of a great world power as the UK was during the days of the Scramble of Africa and the rule of the British Raj. I'm sorry to say it, but a handful of farms and palisades out in the Adironacks did not matter as much as land along the Danube and the Rhine Rivers.
2 months ago
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>Adironacks
*Adirondacks
2 months ago
Anonymous
Battle of Agincourt literally won the English the war. It was completely over for the French after that. The ONLY reason it kept going was because King Henry was moronic and died a little too early. If it wasn't for that the entire planet would look completely differently now.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Calais is still French.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Arguably, with the rise of Dubai, European slavery never stopped, only ceased.
t. moron who doesn't know what inflation mean nor does he know what happened then
All of Europe was affected by the inflation and Spain was the only one who could stomach it
Literally the English civil war happened because the coffers were empty as they kept funding war against Spain and France and just lost all the time.
0 refutation or counter argument to what I said, just seething. Of course you couldn't since what I said is perfectly accurate and properly irrefutable
People were dying in mines in El Potosi and Zacatecas long before the Industrial Revolution took place. The big difference was that with the Industrial Revolution, people weren't just mining iron to make swords to kill people with and sliver to make ornaments for Spanish prostitutes, but also iron to make steam beams and coal to power steam engines.
>People were dying in mines in El Potosi and Zacatecas
oh no panchos were dying in mines ouch how will i ever recover from this one
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>oh no panchos were dying in mines
>nooo you must send children die to the death in coal mines for israelitesih industrialist that's what modernity is all about
>>nooo you must send children die to the death in coal mines
Make up your fricking mind. Are you against people dying in coal mines or in favor of them dying for economic progress? Does it really matter whether the malnourish 12-year-old children dying in mines are Quechuan or Spanish in ethnicity? They're still human beings capable of suffering either way.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Does it really matter whether the malnourish 12-year-old children dying in mines are Quechuan or Spanish in ethnicity
Yes >They're still human
Lmfao
2 months ago
Anonymous
They were just illiterate peasants' children anyway. They probably had a dozen siblings who could replace them. Why should the deaths of a few 19th century child workers matter in the greater context of things? Most of them never had the potential to become a Bouguereau, a Gauss, a Balzac, or a Schopenhauer anyway.
Seriously, why should 19th century Spanish child-workers' deaths matter? It's not like Spanish people became extinct anyway. Besides, the Rio Tinto mines still contributed to economic growth in the Spanish Southwest.
You can either go full on crying for the deaths of child-workers all around the world or just dehumanize all of them.
First practical steam engine was invented by a Spaniard
>How could people enquire as to thermodynamic cycles used to explain the thermodynamic principles of steam engines except by observing their functioning?
First functionable steam engine was invented by a Spaniard during the 16th-17th century #facts #btfo #pinchegringo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jer%C3%B3nimo_de_Ayanz_y_Beaumont
Somehow I posted that earlier but anyone conveniently ignored it.
While spain was on its "golden age" jerking off amerindians with all that gold and losing a shitty war against a tiny duchy in england newton was founding mechanics, in germany leibniz was making functions, in scotland napier was making logarithims, etc etc.
>70 replies of pure seething
Lmao @ you lot homosexuals. I wonder what happened with most homosexuals here that they would seethe so relentlessly about Spain a country which is otherwise irrelevant today. You don't see people being that obsessed with the British or French colonial empire
What... is the home of Industrial Revolution?
What... is the birthplace of modern parliamentary democracy?
What... is the airspeed of a flying swallow?
It was used for more useful things like curbstomping the turks and the protestants
Less resentful and complexed atheist
>It was used for more useful things
No it wasn't. The Spanish Inquisition just forbade all scientific inquiry and technological progress because allowing it would make people follow empirical methods of investigation, thus chipping on the Roman Catholic Church's official position that Aristotelian syllogistic logic was the only method towards scientific truth. Doubting even a single part of the works of Aristotle would mean casting doubt on the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, the doctor of the church.
How could people enquire as to thermodynamic cycles used to explain the thermodynamic principles of steam engines except by observing their functioning? How could people build spinning jennies and looming machines if they had to peer into works on mechanics made by Protestants? Spanish authorities would not allow people to cast doubt on the idea that progress could happen except by the means of faith and following commands from higher authorities. Self-reliance was almost heretical to them, and any form of entrepreneurship had Hebraic undertones to it. Capitalism would've been rejected by Spanish colonial authorities just as it would've been by Chinese communist authorities.
>homie thought I was going to real all that
>How could people enquire as to thermodynamic cycles used to explain the thermodynamic principles of steam engines except by observing their functioning?
First functionable steam engine was invented by a Spaniard during the 16th-17th century #facts #btfo #pinchegringo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jer%C3%B3nimo_de_Ayanz_y_Beaumont
You can find steam engine-like contraptions and mechanisms dating as far back as the days of the Roman Empire, but it wasn't until James Watt that steam engines reached a level of efficiency required to propel rotary mechanisms. It's a well-known fact that early steam engines were all highly inefficient, and it was only until people had achieved sufficient knowledge of thermodynamic principles like Boyle's law that the efficiency of an engine could be measured and that it was possible to plan out improvements to it using analytical methods. A few of James Watt's other inventions, like the centrifugal governor and the sun-and-planet gear would've been impossible to describe mathematically prior to the formulation of Newton's laws of motion, and greatly aided in the use of power generated by steam engines to provide rotary motion at a constant, steady speed.
[Citation needed]
>moron cant click on a wikipedia link
Liberalism isnt inherently bad but angloids turned it into a machine to kneel to Black folk
Either way, the real problem with Spain was its own despotism and unwillingness to platform the reformers and developers in its realms.
Spain culling the reformers is the main reason it didnt have a Black person tier shitfest like the thirty year war or french war of religion
Being the strongest and most stable Catholic monarchy doesn't really mean a lot when the devastation of the European religious wars brought about the anticlericalism responsible for much of the development of the Enlightenment. Certainly Spain developed through that in the 20th century, but prior to that it had fallen behind due to its unwillingness to share any amount of power.
Enlightenment sparked the french revolution which was the worst thing to ever happen on earth so idk
yes the revolution was the problem, not the hippie socialists thinking they could will a utopia into existence
The revolution was a masonic plot from the beginning. There was miterally no viable reason for it to happen. The insurgees were a bunch of marginals comparable to today antifas
>the masons
god forbid men talk to each other outside of church, right María del Rosario Cayetana Paloma Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Fernanda Teresa Francisca de Paula Lourdes Antonia Josefa Fausta Rita Castor Dorotea Santa Esperanza Fitz-James Stuart, Silva, Falcó y Gurtubay, Décimo Octava Duquesa de Alba?
This but unironically
https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-spanish-engine
This an article that came with the english wikipedia article, it mostly support what I say, it wasnt quite comparable to latter steam engine but was as good as it cousl get for the time
YWNBLXIV.
It mentions a rudimentary steam powered water pump but thats as good as it gets
It precedes from a century newcomen engine and was similar enough. Of course it was rudimentary there was no mean to do better at the time.
Its a worthless and primitive design that died there, closer to a toy, its not mentioned any further because once yous ee the design it comes out as a nearly useless water pump without much practical use. Even in the quoted references is barely mentioned as a sidenote. Doing failed designs that led nowhere is not an achievement
Funny how all of that apply to the viking "discovery" of america 😉
A pump turbine is a huge deal, considering that most of the land reclamation we've done has only been done since the invention of it.
Its not a turbine, its a pump by compression.
It was as good as it could get for this time. Stop seething.
The main purpose here was to reject the idea that innovation was somehow banned in Habsburg Spain, not to say that this guy was as important as James Watt, just like leif erikson wasnt as important as columbus
>innovation was somehow banned in Habsburg Spain
>idea is forgotten immediately and was so rare/never existed as to not have a single surviving example
>It was as good as it could get for this time
No it wasnt. Thats why it died there. There is also no evidence that it worked (probably didn't considered no other mention of anything alike comes from spain)
This is the "engine"
Is a very primitive pump by compression that works the same way roman ones everyone used until then did.
I meam clearly innovation wasn't banned, seems that they even wanted to prompte it, It was just struggling a lot coming lol
>No it wasnt
Why isnt there anything equivalent anywhere in europe then?
>Why isnt there anything equivalent anywhere in europe then?
What? A compression pump? Because it would be more efficient fuel and energy wise to do it yourself than use that. Without suction is a dead end, in fact savery steam engine is not remembered as a great deal compared to newcomen's because remains a primitive pump.
Like why you would use a bag to carry aples instead of a cart with squared wheels you would better use a regular pump over that
The point here isn't the practicability but the innovation itself.
The first usable steam engine was invented in Spain, just not at the right time for it to have a larger impact.
innovation would mean they actually went somewhere with the innovation. the french were making metal lathes 100+ years before the british but it went nowhere because nobody saw the value
this is ultimately the problem with monarchies/hyper centralized governments throughout history as the eggheads mostly just made toys for the wealthy and advancement was very slow
I would say the problem comes whenever you persecute criminals and scoundrels that go around your authority too heavily. In Britain, that's just a member of parliament, or the friend of a member of parliament, so everybody important benefits from their circumvention, which can also lead to scientific development.
It's also why totalitarian governments that can't get into that grow stagnant.
>roman ones
So Spanish ones?
To continue on this, the Industrial Revolution did not begin in Spain itself until after the Bourbon restoration with the confiscation of church properties. There were some factories prior to the French invasion of Spain, mainly weapons and ship factories, but they were comparable to their Medieval Italian counterparts rather than to anything we'd associate with modern mass-production. Confiscating large plots of land from the Church allowed for investors to come to purchase empty tracts of land for the sake of establishing mines, factories, building modern, sturdy roads. Although there had been some attempts to establish cotton mills in certain parts of Spain, mainly the Basque Country and Catalonia, they were mostly propelled by foreign investors from the United Kingdom. Heavy manufacturing only really started kicking off after 1833, during the reign of Queen Isabella II. Prior to the establishment of the Higher Polytechnic School of Alcoi (located in the Valencian city of Alacant/Alicante), there were no schools in Spain dedicated to training engineers, unlike in Britain and Germany. The industrial revolution in Spain was very much associated with the spread of liberal thinking and the adoption of laissez faire policies by the Spanish government, which were strongly opposed by the conservative Spanish landowners, who saw industrial development and capitalism as a threat to their traditional way of life. One may find similar narratives of opposition by aristocrats largely dependent on the riches of land to modernity in other countries, such as Germany, the United Kingdom, and France, but in Spain it was exceptionally evident due to its status as a stronghold of the Roman Catholic Church.
Even throughout the 19th century, some of the richest people in Spain were not factory owners and industrial barons, but rather Cuban sugarcane plantation owners. Parallels to the Antebellum American South and the Brazilian Empire are unavoidable in this case.
>nooo you must send children die to the death in coal mines for israelitesih industrialist that's what modernity is all about
People were dying in mines in El Potosi and Zacatecas long before the Industrial Revolution took place. The big difference was that with the Industrial Revolution, people weren't just mining iron to make swords to kill people with and sliver to make ornaments for Spanish prostitutes, but also iron to make steam beams and coal to power steam engines.
>curbstomping the turks and the protestants
But it didn't. It tried and failed.
They curbstomped nobody, went bankrupt several times, and got gaped by France. The only legacy left by all that gold is Escurial
>poster count isnt going up
Literally boiling. Imagine being this obsessed.
Also liberalism was literally invented by Spanish jesuits, but anon would rather give his worthless opinion on a topic he doesnt know at all
Correct
>liberalism was literally invented by Spanish jesuits
Damn, when you put it like that the Anglo-Saxon Freemasonic Communist Nazis Protestants WERE super fricking based!
>invents steam pump concept for some godless slave mine in buttfrickistan latin america
>idea dies there
wow the spanish were totally not stagnant
What is the battle of Lepanto then?
A battle fought for no reason. Most of the Balkans remained under Ottoman domain till the 19th century, when countries like Serbia and Greece declared their independence from the Ottoman Empire. Miguel de Cervantes lost an arm in vain while Greek boys' asses kept getting plowed by Turkish wieners.
But it stopped ottoman expansionism for decades into the rest of the mediterranean. It is regarded as one of the most important battles to defend Europe.
>Europe
Which Europe? Protestant Europe? Slavic Europe? Orthodox Europe? Because I sure as hell don't think Lepanto made lots of Bosnians convert back to Christianity.
I mean the rest of Europe, west europe. Is it so difficult ot udnerstand that if the ottomans would have won that battle they could have expanded further west and that they losing stopped or slowed down their expansion? It isn't rocket science.
Well, it sure as hell wasn't enough to stop the Ottomans from being at the gates of Vienna in 1683. You're making Lepanto sound like it was the Ottoman Stalingrad or sometning that permanently reversed their tide of expansion, when it just temporarily put it on hold. Barbary pirates from the Ottoman Empire still harassed European merchant ships all the way till the 19th century, and Europeans were still being sold into slavery until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
So that battle is just a meme, that is what you are saying. It's regarded as one of the most important battles ever to defend Europe and for you all of that is just an invention?
Well, it sounds like the equivalent of what the Battle of Agincourt was in the greater context of the Hundred Years' War, a victory that led to some temporary advantage for one side but ultimately failed to turn the tide in the battle's winner's favor.
Turkroach gigacope. Lepanto did stop the progression of the Ottomans into the western med. They continued to be threat for central and eastern europeans but not for western ones.
The Ottomans that besieged Vienna in 1683 were already a mere shadow of their former glory.
>The Ottomans that besieged Vienna in 1683 were already a mere shadow of their former glory.
They literally threatened the capital of the fricking Holy Roman Empire, Vienna. Lepanto's just some gay town in Gayreece, a country deep in Southern Europe almost on the edge with Gaysia. Besides, as I said it yesterday, Lepanto did NOT stop the Balkans from falling to Turkish hands. If Lepanto had actually driven away all and every single Turk from EVROPA, then maybe you'd have an argument, but nah, they still had much of the Balkans for hundreds of years.
Besides, the Ottomans also conquered much of Northern Africa, meaning that they didn't just control the Eastern Mediterranean but also much of the Western Mediterranean.
On the other hand, the Battle of Vienna DID drive the Ottomans off Austria and Hungary, thus leaving those lands free from the yoke of footstool Turks. Imagine what if the Ottomans had actually won the Battle of Vienna. Then they would've threatened the rest of Germany and instead of just having the Balkans, they would have also had one of the richest and most densely populated countries in all of Europe.
>the capital of the fricking Holy Roman Empire
The HRE was a lesser power since westphalia. France, Spain and increasingly England were the powerhouse of europe during that era.
>Lepanto did NOT stop the Balkans from falling to Turkish hands
Why would Spaniards give a shit about the balkans? Their goal was tp secure their territory in the south of Italy which they did
> but also much of the Western Mediterranean.
They had a loose control over alger and tunis and no controm over morrocco, dumbass
>the Battle of Vienna DID drive the Ottomans off Austria and Hungary,
Yes it was important but the Ottomans were at the height of their military might in the middle of the 16th century, not in the late 17th century. As I said they were a shadow of their former self by then
>France, Spain and increasingly England
Oh and the Dutch
The >H>R>E was pretty important on its own right. I like my arepas and all, but I admit that towns like Linz and Leipzig were more important than Arequipa and Tantoyuca. I mean, Spain DID own a lot of land at it peak, but so did Russia, even though I'd hardly call most of that land "valuable".
Besides, England in the 17th century was hardly as much of a great world power as the UK was during the days of the Scramble of Africa and the rule of the British Raj. I'm sorry to say it, but a handful of farms and palisades out in the Adironacks did not matter as much as land along the Danube and the Rhine Rivers.
>Adironacks
*Adirondacks
Battle of Agincourt literally won the English the war. It was completely over for the French after that. The ONLY reason it kept going was because King Henry was moronic and died a little too early. If it wasn't for that the entire planet would look completely differently now.
Calais is still French.
Arguably, with the rise of Dubai, European slavery never stopped, only ceased.
Gold caused massive inflation which deindustrialized Spain
t. moron who doesn't know what inflation mean nor does he know what happened then
All of Europe was affected by the inflation and Spain was the only one who could stomach it
Literally the English civil war happened because the coffers were empty as they kept funding war against Spain and France and just lost all the time.
kys you historically illiterate mong
0 refutation or counter argument to what I said, just seething. Of course you couldn't since what I said is perfectly accurate and properly irrefutable
>People were dying in mines in El Potosi and Zacatecas
oh no panchos were dying in mines ouch how will i ever recover from this one
>oh no panchos were dying in mines
>>nooo you must send children die to the death in coal mines
Make up your fricking mind. Are you against people dying in coal mines or in favor of them dying for economic progress? Does it really matter whether the malnourish 12-year-old children dying in mines are Quechuan or Spanish in ethnicity? They're still human beings capable of suffering either way.
>Does it really matter whether the malnourish 12-year-old children dying in mines are Quechuan or Spanish in ethnicity
Yes
>They're still human
Lmfao
They were just illiterate peasants' children anyway. They probably had a dozen siblings who could replace them. Why should the deaths of a few 19th century child workers matter in the greater context of things? Most of them never had the potential to become a Bouguereau, a Gauss, a Balzac, or a Schopenhauer anyway.
Seriously, why should 19th century Spanish child-workers' deaths matter? It's not like Spanish people became extinct anyway. Besides, the Rio Tinto mines still contributed to economic growth in the Spanish Southwest.
You can either go full on crying for the deaths of child-workers all around the world or just dehumanize all of them.
Whoops, missed one.
>when you win so hard you trigger the game's overflow glitch and lose completely
Stop playing civ 5 you fricking moron
Stop being spanish spic
what type of thirdie are you?
Spain is a third world country, though.
I know you wish that was true thirdie
Short sighted Hispanic moronation
Imagine being given a massive economic headstart and squandering it all on fancy church’s and continental European wars (that you end up losing).
Hey don't you have Sainz thread to spams?
>hyper federalist moneyed establishment based on imperialism
>braindead masses
>no cultural understanding of liberalism
three strikes you're out
Gold can't buy innovation
First practical steam engine was invented by a Spaniard
Somehow I posted that earlier but anyone conveniently ignored it.
While spain was on its "golden age" jerking off amerindians with all that gold and losing a shitty war against a tiny duchy in england newton was founding mechanics, in germany leibniz was making functions, in scotland napier was making logarithims, etc etc.
>Spanish golden age was during the socalled enlightenment
Most literate IQfytard
Also the discovery of America and first cirvumnavigation were far bigger and relevant achievements than anything those homosexual nerds came up with
>70 replies of pure seething
Lmao @ you lot homosexuals. I wonder what happened with most homosexuals here that they would seethe so relentlessly about Spain a country which is otherwise irrelevant today. You don't see people being that obsessed with the British or French colonial empire
What... is the home of Industrial Revolution?
What... is the birthplace of modern parliamentary democracy?
What... is the airspeed of a flying swallow?
>modern parliamentary democracy?
Implying that's a good thing
>What... is the airspeed of a flying swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
So, not a single economist on entire IQfy, huh?
Good to know...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse