No, the poster is implying christianity isn't an invasive cancer upon Europe....Japan is fortunate we are in the age where these religions are growing weak and cannot be imposed by the sword anymore
>initially the Spanish sent Catholic missionaries and converted a fair number of people >the English and Dutch got worried Spain would nudge them out for trading rights in Japan so they whispered in the ear of the shoguns that the Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony >the shoguns ape out and kill all the Christians
And that's basically it.
>Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony
crazy, can't imagine why anyone would ever lend any credence to such a ridiculous idea
hell, they only had to look a bit south to their "Ranman" neighbors (now Filipinos). It's easy to see why they would commit any atrocity to prevent that fate.
*Portuguese were converting people.
But yes, William Adams told the Tokugawa that they were going to conquer Japan like they conquered Latin America and Goa and Malacca, so the Shogun smothered them in the crib
>initially the Spanish sent Catholic missionaries and converted a fair number of people >the English and Dutch got worried Spain would nudge them out for trading rights in Japan so they whispered in the ear of the shoguns that the Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony >the shoguns ape out and kill all the Christians
And that's basically it.
Wrong. That is a very small part of it. Japan largely didn't fear foreign invasion at all in the 1500s, convinced they were of their own superiority. They even threatened Spain in the Philippines with Invasion in the 1590s.
Christianity was banned in Japan largely because the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa shogunates obsession with centralization and conservative Japanese society saw it as a threat to harmony in Japan. For starters, it delegitimizes the power of the Jap Emperor, who is understood as chosen by the gods, by virtue Christianity being an intolerant foreign religion that says there's only 1 God, and Jesus is his son (and also him). Delegitimize the Emperor = Delegitimize the Shogun.
For another, Christians are known to cause disputes wherever they go to Japan, either by starting it themselves or by their simple very presence annoying local cults & existing Buddhist sects.
Finally and perhaps more importantly, Christianity is seen as a threat to government centralization. The Toyotomi and the Tokugawa (partly correctly since it happened to the Oda and the Otomo) knew that Christian Missionaries built ties between peripheral Daimyo & the outside world. Ties that Daimyo could use to amass wealth (especially from China and Spanish Philippines, who both paid in silver), foreign technology, and use this wealth & tech to challenge Central Authority. In a time when the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa believed in Neoconfucian ideals of total centralization of the state under a single authority for the harmony of all, foreign-trading Daimyos with pet Jesuits and Christian inclinations were seen as a threat.
Hence why the Toyotomi banned Christian Missionaries in Japan and kept existing Christian Daimyo in a tight leash, while Tokugawa went further and banned Christianity altogether from Japan, and limited Foreign Trade & Interaction in Shogunate-sanctioned ports where all revenues and new tech went directly to the Shogun.
>i am an illiterate who doesn't read complete sentences.
It is irrelevant who started disputes, fact of the matter is Christkeks and their very existence causes them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No because I read the Bible. Everything you said was war propaganda in hell where you’ll be going and everyone who buys into it.
You can only be happy if you are on the side of God which means standing with the Israel in Jesus Christ.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No because I read the Bible
Irrelevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
[...]
[...] >christian arrives >causes dispute
>homosexual wakes up in Europe, begins his trolling again.
Shut up wimpy homosexual. You will never conquer anything significant ever again. You are a worthless miserable wiener sucking European who does whatever the government says and will always live in some apartment or ride the bus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Christians cause disputes
Okay propagandist.
No because I read the Bible. Everything you said was war propaganda in hell where you’ll be going and everyone who buys into it.
You can only be happy if you are on the side of God which means standing with the Israel in Jesus Christ.
You are forgetting the part where southern daimyos were converting and massacring Buddhists who wouldn't convert by the thousands under the instigation of missionaries. Or the fact that the missionaries actively did not trust their congregants or disciples and never let their students advance to the rank of iruman (priest). Nor would they tell them anything about Europe or European history, or European knowledge, and wouldn't let them read anything besides catechisms and aesop in latin. They literally told people that Europe was like a paradise ruled by the Church because their God was true and loved them.
They didn't want Adams to get to the shogun not because they thought he would lie but because they thought he would the truth. Irrc the first meeting the shogun asked about Europe and Adams told him about the war with the Spanish and the different forms of Christianity and the very next day the shogun declared Catholicism a heretical and depraved faith.
>>the English and Dutch got worried Spain would nudge them out for trading rights in Japan so they whispered in the ear of the shoguns that the Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony
Specifically told them about the Spanish commiting regicide in the americas
>if you don't believe in me you're tortured for eternity and if you do believe and do even the slightest indiscretion you're also tortured for eternity
vs >woah trees sound nice and foxes are cute, what if we venerated them?
tough choice
Because dogmatism isn't the norm among Religions in East Asia. Christcuckoldry is a Dogmatic faith that demands its followers to follow it and only it, disregarding local realities and spiritual beliefs. The very "native" religions that East Asians follow are themselves not dogmatic and are very syncretic, why should Christianity be special?
Even East Asian """"""""""Christians""""""""""""" are heavy into Syncretism to the point that Christianity becomes a different, polytheistic, religion.
Catholicism still demands you to believe that there is only one god.
Chinese Christians on the other hand things Jesus hangs with the Jade Emperor and Buddha in a heavenly Pantheon. Also that God and Jesus are two separate entities.
>Acts 16:6 kjv Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
The Lord turned them around. You then have issues like Japan joining the axis powers in ww2.
General Patton was discriminated against notoriously because he wasn’t politically correct. He would say let’s go kill them damn Germans. The other ally powers like England and others would be like no no sir we need to wait and like bury the dead and say we won this battle and do all this things and General Patton would be like hell no we are going to pursue the Germans until we win and they are all dead. When the Russians helped sandwich them at the end of the war, Patton said shoot, they are all communists, I’m gonna just go to war with them now and win against the communists. He told the guy to go tell the Russians that they are a son of a b***h, and said to tell him every single word, to which he was reluctant to pass the message but did and the Russian guy responded well tell Patton he is a son of a b***h , too. So Patton said I’ll drink to that.
He is said to get out there in his army jeep with his pistol and start shooting ar German planes flying over and goin Damn Germans and trained his men for doing very tough missions that the other generals completely backed down from, believing it to be an impossible task.
Crazy how some people here generally don't realize how biased they are.
There are people on this board that will swear Christianity up and down, call everybody heathens, and be absolutely mindboggled that non Christians don't consider Christianity all the convincing or special.
I think Christianity was really just in the right place at the right time in Rome tbh
That’s because God is the only true God out of the middle east and dragon shit stinks and is going to hell in the lake of fire. Jesus Christ is His Only Son. Buddha or Chinese Emperor are all commie demigods and shit, worshiping theirselves in the image of Shem which they don’t even honor him anymore, it has fallen into worship of their own dragon satan.
A good book if you want to read about it is Deus Destroyed, which is about the mission to Japan and why it failed.
One of the reasons was that initially missionaries were distrustful at worst and frustrated at best with Japanese people and Japanese customs. They wouldn't let Japanese converts, no matter how zealous, become a priest themselves which severely hampered their growth. The guy who first headed the mission also thought Japanese language was impenetrable so he didn't bother having any of his students learn it academically. So for the first ten years or so of the mission it was underfunded, didn't care to integrate with Japanese culture, and saw itself as doomed until that guy was replaced with someone with more enthusiasm.
>The guy who first headed the mission also thought Japanese language was impenetrable so he didn't bother having any of his students learn it academically.
kek, some things just don't change. japanese language has been filtering midwits since hundreds of years ago.
It was though? For a time, at least. Even some daimyo's converted to it. But then Christian peasants started getting uppity, started a rebellion, were defeated and Christianity was banned by the Shogunate.
From: Matthew 13 >18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
There is no neutrality to the gospel, you are for it or against it. Buddhists and Shintoists had a grip on Japanese culture. The Christians came with a message that was hard to swallow, that these nature spirits and buddhas that were being worshipped were in fact demonic. Tokugawa emerged the victor after a prolonged civil war and set about removing all Western influence, which he saw as a threat to unity. He chose the Buddhists to help him carry out this purge, as well as assist him in carrying out a census and spying on potential political rivals. This eventually backfired in Buddhists temples being burned in the Meiji Restoration, and Christianity being allowed back in. Why have Japanese seemingly resisted conversion efforts? In short they in a stony place that punishes non-conformity and a thorny place in that they have a high-trust, high performance society that provides tremendous material comforts. Their hard-working, moral culture that mostly aligns with the Good, the Beautiful, and the True already. Thus are mostly in alignment with how God intends us to live. So judgment maybe slower in coming.
Not that hard to swallow, they wanted racist gods and to promote theirselves, like Satan told Adam. But no, sure;y the racist is the God of Israel where there is the actual Creator of everyone there.
Oh, when you're big in Japan, tonight
Big in Japan, be tight
Big in Japan, where the Eastern sea's so blue
Big in Japan, alright
Pay, then I'll sleep by your side
Things are easy when you're big in Japan
Oh, when you're big in Japan
That’s a dumb answer. The japanese/Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese/etc that don’t align with Israel, are the ones making dumb video games, while the ones that do write amazing works of art that become our childhood fantasies in history. Like Nintendo and FROM. Granted, not all their video games succeed, like Dark Souls 2 had terrible enemy design and trannies, and Dark Souls 1 was the worst PC Port with horrible mouse and keyboard controls and weird cult covenants that led to the trannies in 2. 3 is still the superior Dark Souls, and Elden Ring went back to using 2’s enemy design with bad hit boxes and action and physics and more focus on dexterity (deception). It’s always the deceivers which ruin our games, and the ones like old Nintendo that used to put the crosses and the churches on the games that had the best Zelda legends to play. The ones now where they really want to have beast races instead of humans were always more attempts at furry porn and ruining stories like Jonah and the Whale with the addition of Dolphin e-girl dicky.
It was to them as islam was to europe. An aggressive, invasive, and alien religion pushed by invasive foreign powers.
>An aggressive, invasive, and alien religion pushed by invasive foreign powers.
So Christianity?
Are you moronic? Thats literally what the poster you're replying to was saying
No, the poster is implying christianity isn't an invasive cancer upon Europe....Japan is fortunate we are in the age where these religions are growing weak and cannot be imposed by the sword anymore
because they're generally a high IQ peoples so they easily saw it was a scam
>because they're generally a high IQ peoples so
t. has never been to Japan and interacted with people there
sneed
https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2019/01/11/ranked-the-25-smartest-countries-in-the-world/
It was gaining popularity before leaders saw it as a threat
among low iq peasants and short sighted greedy people.
You're a fricking moron.
u? lel
nice argument
most intelligent christian.
>initially the Spanish sent Catholic missionaries and converted a fair number of people
>the English and Dutch got worried Spain would nudge them out for trading rights in Japan so they whispered in the ear of the shoguns that the Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony
>the shoguns ape out and kill all the Christians
And that's basically it.
>Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony
crazy, can't imagine why anyone would ever lend any credence to such a ridiculous idea
hell, they only had to look a bit south to their "Ranman" neighbors (now Filipinos). It's easy to see why they would commit any atrocity to prevent that fate.
*Portuguese were converting people.
But yes, William Adams told the Tokugawa that they were going to conquer Japan like they conquered Latin America and Goa and Malacca, so the Shogun smothered them in the crib
Wrong. That is a very small part of it. Japan largely didn't fear foreign invasion at all in the 1500s, convinced they were of their own superiority. They even threatened Spain in the Philippines with Invasion in the 1590s.
Christianity was banned in Japan largely because the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa shogunates obsession with centralization and conservative Japanese society saw it as a threat to harmony in Japan. For starters, it delegitimizes the power of the Jap Emperor, who is understood as chosen by the gods, by virtue Christianity being an intolerant foreign religion that says there's only 1 God, and Jesus is his son (and also him). Delegitimize the Emperor = Delegitimize the Shogun.
For another, Christians are known to cause disputes wherever they go to Japan, either by starting it themselves or by their simple very presence annoying local cults & existing Buddhist sects.
Finally and perhaps more importantly, Christianity is seen as a threat to government centralization. The Toyotomi and the Tokugawa (partly correctly since it happened to the Oda and the Otomo) knew that Christian Missionaries built ties between peripheral Daimyo & the outside world. Ties that Daimyo could use to amass wealth (especially from China and Spanish Philippines, who both paid in silver), foreign technology, and use this wealth & tech to challenge Central Authority. In a time when the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa believed in Neoconfucian ideals of total centralization of the state under a single authority for the harmony of all, foreign-trading Daimyos with pet Jesuits and Christian inclinations were seen as a threat.
Hence why the Toyotomi banned Christian Missionaries in Japan and kept existing Christian Daimyo in a tight leash, while Tokugawa went further and banned Christianity altogether from Japan, and limited Foreign Trade & Interaction in Shogunate-sanctioned ports where all revenues and new tech went directly to the Shogun.
>Christians cause disputes
Okay propagandist.
>i am an illiterate who doesn't read complete sentences.
It is irrelevant who started disputes, fact of the matter is Christkeks and their very existence causes them.
No because I read the Bible. Everything you said was war propaganda in hell where you’ll be going and everyone who buys into it.
You can only be happy if you are on the side of God which means standing with the Israel in Jesus Christ.
>No because I read the Bible
Irrelevant.
>homosexual wakes up in Europe, begins his trolling again.
Shut up wimpy homosexual. You will never conquer anything significant ever again. You are a worthless miserable wiener sucking European who does whatever the government says and will always live in some apartment or ride the bus.
>christian arrives
>causes dispute
I mean, they probably weren't wrong
You are forgetting the part where southern daimyos were converting and massacring Buddhists who wouldn't convert by the thousands under the instigation of missionaries. Or the fact that the missionaries actively did not trust their congregants or disciples and never let their students advance to the rank of iruman (priest). Nor would they tell them anything about Europe or European history, or European knowledge, and wouldn't let them read anything besides catechisms and aesop in latin. They literally told people that Europe was like a paradise ruled by the Church because their God was true and loved them.
They didn't want Adams to get to the shogun not because they thought he would lie but because they thought he would the truth. Irrc the first meeting the shogun asked about Europe and Adams told him about the war with the Spanish and the different forms of Christianity and the very next day the shogun declared Catholicism a heretical and depraved faith.
Deluded Anglo-Protestant propaganda.
>>the English and Dutch got worried Spain would nudge them out for trading rights in Japan so they whispered in the ear of the shoguns that the Spanish were plotting to convert people so they could turn the place into their colony
Specifically told them about the Spanish commiting regicide in the americas
>if you don't believe in me you're tortured for eternity and if you do believe and do even the slightest indiscretion you're also tortured for eternity
vs
>woah trees sound nice and foxes are cute, what if we venerated them?
tough choice
whoa...
I love how the Japs just make him a normal guy who lives to a decent age.
>Why wasn't Christianity a big deal in Japan?
Because dogmatism isn't the norm among Religions in East Asia. Christcuckoldry is a Dogmatic faith that demands its followers to follow it and only it, disregarding local realities and spiritual beliefs. The very "native" religions that East Asians follow are themselves not dogmatic and are very syncretic, why should Christianity be special?
Even East Asian """"""""""Christians""""""""""""" are heavy into Syncretism to the point that Christianity becomes a different, polytheistic, religion.
which isn't really true either since Catholicism absorbed a lot of the pagan traditions of European countries
define something pagan.
Pagans ate bread is bread eating pagan?
for example in Scandinavia Yule logs are a Christmas tradition that dates to pre-Christian times
Pooping tradition dates to pre-Christian times as does philosophy and poetry are those things pagan?
>burning wood in winter in a frigid country is a pagan tradition
Catholicism still demands you to believe that there is only one god.
Chinese Christians on the other hand things Jesus hangs with the Jade Emperor and Buddha in a heavenly Pantheon. Also that God and Jesus are two separate entities.
>Acts 16:6 kjv Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
The Lord turned them around. You then have issues like Japan joining the axis powers in ww2.
General Patton was discriminated against notoriously because he wasn’t politically correct. He would say let’s go kill them damn Germans. The other ally powers like England and others would be like no no sir we need to wait and like bury the dead and say we won this battle and do all this things and General Patton would be like hell no we are going to pursue the Germans until we win and they are all dead. When the Russians helped sandwich them at the end of the war, Patton said shoot, they are all communists, I’m gonna just go to war with them now and win against the communists. He told the guy to go tell the Russians that they are a son of a b***h, and said to tell him every single word, to which he was reluctant to pass the message but did and the Russian guy responded well tell Patton he is a son of a b***h , too. So Patton said I’ll drink to that.
He is said to get out there in his army jeep with his pistol and start shooting ar German planes flying over and goin Damn Germans and trained his men for doing very tough missions that the other generals completely backed down from, believing it to be an impossible task.
Crazy how some people here generally don't realize how biased they are.
There are people on this board that will swear Christianity up and down, call everybody heathens, and be absolutely mindboggled that non Christians don't consider Christianity all the convincing or special.
I think Christianity was really just in the right place at the right time in Rome tbh
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13407057/#13407483
i remember this copypaste
That’s because God is the only true God out of the middle east and dragon shit stinks and is going to hell in the lake of fire. Jesus Christ is His Only Son. Buddha or Chinese Emperor are all commie demigods and shit, worshiping theirselves in the image of Shem which they don’t even honor him anymore, it has fallen into worship of their own dragon satan.
Because high IQ races tend not to fall for sandBlack person death cults like the one around the schizo pedo israelite nailed to a stick
Lack of israeli infiltration in the Japanese society, same thing with Islam.
they were persecuted and driven to extinction.
I didn't read the thread <3
EVROPAGVNS don't know jack shit about the intricacies of Asian syncretism.
Probably couldn't adapt to their spiritual traditions in their lax polytheistic canon as well as it could in other nations
A good book if you want to read about it is Deus Destroyed, which is about the mission to Japan and why it failed.
One of the reasons was that initially missionaries were distrustful at worst and frustrated at best with Japanese people and Japanese customs. They wouldn't let Japanese converts, no matter how zealous, become a priest themselves which severely hampered their growth. The guy who first headed the mission also thought Japanese language was impenetrable so he didn't bother having any of his students learn it academically. So for the first ten years or so of the mission it was underfunded, didn't care to integrate with Japanese culture, and saw itself as doomed until that guy was replaced with someone with more enthusiasm.
>The guy who first headed the mission also thought Japanese language was impenetrable so he didn't bother having any of his students learn it academically.
kek, some things just don't change. japanese language has been filtering midwits since hundreds of years ago.
It was though? For a time, at least. Even some daimyo's converted to it. But then Christian peasants started getting uppity, started a rebellion, were defeated and Christianity was banned by the Shogunate.
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
take meds
From: Matthew 13
>18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
There is no neutrality to the gospel, you are for it or against it. Buddhists and Shintoists had a grip on Japanese culture. The Christians came with a message that was hard to swallow, that these nature spirits and buddhas that were being worshipped were in fact demonic. Tokugawa emerged the victor after a prolonged civil war and set about removing all Western influence, which he saw as a threat to unity. He chose the Buddhists to help him carry out this purge, as well as assist him in carrying out a census and spying on potential political rivals. This eventually backfired in Buddhists temples being burned in the Meiji Restoration, and Christianity being allowed back in. Why have Japanese seemingly resisted conversion efforts? In short they in a stony place that punishes non-conformity and a thorny place in that they have a high-trust, high performance society that provides tremendous material comforts. Their hard-working, moral culture that mostly aligns with the Good, the Beautiful, and the True already. Thus are mostly in alignment with how God intends us to live. So judgment maybe slower in coming.
Not that hard to swallow, they wanted racist gods and to promote theirselves, like Satan told Adam. But no, sure;y the racist is the God of Israel where there is the actual Creator of everyone there.
>stagnates for the next 300 years
based, at least they could still engage in pederasty.
Japan was never colonized by a Christian nation
>big deal in Japan
>big
>in Japan
Oh, when you're big in Japan, tonight
Big in Japan, be tight
Big in Japan, where the Eastern sea's so blue
Big in Japan, alright
Pay, then I'll sleep by your side
Things are easy when you're big in Japan
Oh, when you're big in Japan
Based.
Is OP still here?
Because japanese are smarter than the hispanics and crackers that got bamboozled by the israeli death cult.
That’s a dumb answer. The japanese/Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese/etc that don’t align with Israel, are the ones making dumb video games, while the ones that do write amazing works of art that become our childhood fantasies in history. Like Nintendo and FROM. Granted, not all their video games succeed, like Dark Souls 2 had terrible enemy design and trannies, and Dark Souls 1 was the worst PC Port with horrible mouse and keyboard controls and weird cult covenants that led to the trannies in 2. 3 is still the superior Dark Souls, and Elden Ring went back to using 2’s enemy design with bad hit boxes and action and physics and more focus on dexterity (deception). It’s always the deceivers which ruin our games, and the ones like old Nintendo that used to put the crosses and the churches on the games that had the best Zelda legends to play. The ones now where they really want to have beast races instead of humans were always more attempts at furry porn and ruining stories like Jonah and the Whale with the addition of Dolphin e-girl dicky.
Like everything else in the world, it's the fault of the G*rmans.
Heretical swamp Krauts have to ruin everything for everyone.