Why wasn’t communism ever a serious movement in the UK? Pretty much every other European country had a sizeable amount of communists.
In the UK they all either joined labour and pushed for soft socialism or are the communist party if Britain which was always irrelevant,
There were only 5 communist party British MPs in history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Communist_Party_MPs_(UK)
Most didn’t even get elected as communists they just switched parties too
Makes sense that the system used as a foundation for communism was unaffected by it. You can't really set up a massive boogeyman and expect your moronic meme ideology to thrive in it
I say without a hint of irony; Cromwell and the French Revolution
Pretty ironic considering Marx and Engels formed their entire ideology essentially on their experience of the class system in Britain.
>the working class don't want to be "emancipated" by their "betters"
shocking
Marx said the "secret of the impotence of the English working class" was the racism that allied it with British colonialism in Ireland, conditioning them to believe themselves as members of a ruling nation. I think somewhere else he called English workers as bunch of "bourgeoisfied" proletarians.
Correction, that second part was Engels.
>In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “...The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 1881, Engels speaks about “those very worst English trade unions which allow themselves to be led by men sold to, or at least paid by, the bourgeoisie.” In a letter to Kautsky, dated September 12, 1882, Engels wrote: “You ask me what the English workers think about colonial policy. Well, exactly the same as they think about politics in general. There is no workers’ party here, there are only Conservatives and Liberal-Radicals, and the workers gaily share the feast of England’s monopoly of the world market and the colonies.”
>On December 7, 1889, Engels wrote to Sorge: “The most repulsive thing here [in England] is the bourgeois ‘respectability’, which has grown deep into the bones of the workers.... Even Tom Mann, whom I regard as the best of the lot, is fond of mentioning that he will be lunching with the Lord Mayor. If one compares this with the French, one realises, what a revolution is good for, after all.”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htm
>when my theories don't work it's because of racism
marx really was the spitting image of the modern day leftist
>"Irish history shows one what a misfortune it is for a nation to have subjugated another nation. All the abominations of the English have their origin in the Irish Pale."
-- Engels
It's why they supported Irish independence. But basically the British are sniveling cowards who will never amount to anything until they get rid of their colonial and imperial mentality. More Engels:
>In my opinion the colonies proper, i.e., the countries occupied by a European population, Canada, the Cape, Australia, will all become independent; on the other hand the countries inhabited by a native population, which are simply subjugated, India, Algiers, the Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish possessions, must be taken over for the time being by the proletariat and led as rapidly as possible towards independence. How this process will develop is difficult to say. India will perhaps, indeed very probably, produce a revolution, and as the proletariat emancipating itself cannot conduct any colonial wars, this would have to be given full scope; it would not pass off without all sorts of destruction, of course, but that sort of thing is inseparable from all revolutions. The same might also take place elsewhere, e.g., in Algiers and Egypt, and would certainly be the best thing for us. We shall have enough to do at home. Once Europe is reorganised, and North America, that will furnish such colossal power and such an example that the semi-civilised countries will follow in their wake of their own accord. Economic needs alone will be responsible for this. But as to what social and political phases these countries will then have to pass through before they likewise arrive at socialist organisation, we to-day can only advance rather idle hypotheses, I think. One thing alone is certain: the victorious proletariat can force no blessings of any kind upon any foreign nation without undermining its own victory by so doing. Which of course by no means excludes defensive wars of various kinds.
yes, everything bad is because of colonialism and racism. distilled autism
England isn't the whole world. If you dropped a big nuke on England and blew it up, would the rest of the world notice?
marxism would have probably failed without having something to complain about
Yes, including the leftoids' high level of hypocrisy. While Marx was writing about oppression of the workers, he was happily underpaying and raping his family's domestic servant, by whom he had a child. Whom he only allowed in thru the side entrance, not the front door. Not bourgeois at all, that.
Because Britoid bankers are the ones funding it.
Communism was never a real ideology, it is a psychological virus, that they would release in countries that opposed them - Russia, Germany, later America and Western Europe.
Education lets them see trough the lies.
anglo individualism and lack of class consciousness
A long history of reformism in British politics, and the co-option of genuinely radical workers movement into the labour party.
>A long history of reformism in British politics
Is this a good thing or a bad thing
Depends entirely on your view, if, say, you're a member of the Fabian society, you'd be a socialist and consider it a good thing, if you were a revolutionary socialist you'd see it as an example of how social democracy is a barricade erected against genuine control of society by the proletariat, if you're a liberal/whig you'd see it as the natural course of history, if you're a full throated reactionary in Britain, you and your 7 friends will seethe about it and found something like pic related or currently roll in your grave, Fascism in the UK normally put up the veneer of parliamentarianism, although considering Mosley (and later efforts like the LEL and more modern BF and BNP) have never really risen to prominence, it's hard to tell how much of that is just political expediency in order to not draw the same kind of Ire Mosley did on cable street.
I'm not a conservative, but considering the underpinnings of conservatism in Britain is basically just liberalism with conservative social policy, i'd imagine they'd take pride in it.
So i guess, really, it depends, if you believe society needs immediate, radical upheaval to solve it's ills, then you'd view it as bad, and if you believe in steady progress towards a better state, regardless of if current conditions are intolerable to some, you'd view it as good.
For a little more detail on pic related, they were an anti-democratic bunch of neo(neo-neo?) absolutists who believed in an absolute monarchy and strict class delineation.
Forgot the pic like a moron
>The English Mistery ("Mistery" being an old word for a guild) was a political and esoteric group active in the United Kingdom of the 1930s. A "Conservative fringe group" in favour of bringing back the feudal system
The Labour Party and reformist unions had a lot to do with it.
Communism is alien to the English tradition. It is alien to parliamentarianism, seeks to destroy the English consititution and realm and liberties, and is hostile to the interests of the English workers (Engels wrote as much, that the English workers think the same thoughts as the 'bourgeoisie'). Communism sought to destroy the British Empire and sought too to destroy Britain herself. England had a prosperous and free population, and they would not trade their hard-won rights for whatever horros the communists had in store for them. Communist movements were most popular in Britain among immigrant populations, like israelites, Scousers, and Irish.
anglos already have elite child rapist rings so there's no need for the leftist version
England is a nation of moderate pragmatic merchants, not of ideologically fanatical people
Most British people with fanatican inclinations emmigrated to the USA in colonial times
brits take it in the ass. they basically did nothing during the era when kids were getting clogged in machines and serial killers thrives in slums
>conquered the world
>”basically did nothing”
>did nothing
Apart from invent and discover better than any other nation on earth. Just some medical advances: antiseptics, antibiotics, vaccinations. 100s of millions saved right there. Awesome bongsome.