Why would God tell Satan to ruin a devout follows life over a bet? Seems king of fricked up. Read the book of job
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Why would God tell Satan to ruin a devout follows life over a bet? Seems king of fucked up. Read the book of job
Test.
did it work?
It is fricked up, God is an butthole
Probably be a better analogy if this Job didn't start off with a bone to pick with god
What bone?
The one where he rips his own teeth out of his mouth.
It is fricked up. Without doubt. Job loses his children. But in the end God grants him New children. But how the frick is that gonna do good for Job?
His new children IS NOT his old children. In my eyes a individual is irreplaceable, and only a psychopath would argue they are replaceable because you could in theory replace every thing about them. But that's only in theory, in practice that life is the only one of that life, despite being replaceable in every other way.
Truly a fricked up story where unironically God participates in the worst of materialism. Makes me think this book is purely written by man, who is a true materialist thinking that it's somehow beautiful that a man can lay so much trust in god despite loosing his original children.
Fricked up beyond belief
The moral is that any individual human is inconsequential to God. He cares only for the pattern of our behaviors; the rules we follow that shape the whole. Any one of us with our short years is nothing to him, the only important thing is how we act. How all the humans acting together will form just one element of his greater work that is the Universe.
Mhm, as I said here
that might be YOUR god, but it sure as hell ain't MY God. Feel free to worship someone like that as much as you want
Its not fricked up. His old kids were fugly his new kids were the most beautiful. He prob had a roastie wife . He probably had a empty life or never k
Im not trying to justify for me im just trying to point out a simple reason. Now imagine if we get complex.
God is not here to hurt you nor does he hurt when you turn your back on him.
He is a good God in the sence that:
1- he shows his complete dominion over the devil. I mean its actually sad at some point.
2- he shows that as long as you are have faith he will be with you thats a gift for all of us.
3. He showed us happynness is not in women kids , money, ect. All u need it God
Had job not been a true son of God he had been fricked but God knew his son. He knew he wouldnt throw a tantrum or go shoot up a school because he didnt get his way.
God is only trying to make you stronger.
Also why is God the dick here why dont u blame the devil he did the bad . God will always be there the rest will crumble you can follow the beta devil but i choose the Alpha Omega God
Who thinks like this? You sound like a child and so does your God.
>God is only trying to make you stronger.
Wtf are you talking about idiot? Life isn't even supposed to be about muh strenght. You literally worship Satan and you are to blind to see it. You know why Jesus is refered to a lamb considering it is a SYMBOLIC language?
Worship muh God of strenght all you want. You'll get what you seek. I worship something much more beautiful than that crap
Thanks the point of God is to become as a child. Happy like a baby.
Strength=peace
The devil is you idiot. You are listening to ppl saying god is the devil. When the trutb of the bible is the devil is us and Gods trying to save us.
You can worship who you like but the one God allmighty is still king.
You can worship money,women or anythibg you feel like that doesnt change the truth.
I don't deny I have my faults, but again YOUR god is NOT my God. And it's pretty clear I don't worship those things you mention, you wouldn't have a clue about what I worship considering all the nonsense you spew.
You know we all have a dad. Some of us want to disown our family thats fine you can do as you please he is still your father weather you accept it or not and that holds a lot of weight if not all of it.
You can call someone else dad but they are not your dad.
Dont think of God as a being but rather a truth . Dont see God as a person just because of jesus. Think of God as the whole universe and more
Keep me out of whatever mind games you're pulling there. I think of God the way I do, which is the lamb. If that is a problem for you, then it's literally your problem
I mean isn't one of the main things that God wants is for you to get married have children and worship him? Why would he allow the devil to curb stomp all of that just to stroke his ego? I guess most of the religions have evil tyrants that create evil beings to frick out shit up if that diety doesn't do it its self. I think I might look into Buddhism
A good father does NOT require worship
Is it? See thats were this worldly confusion is . People just getting info from tv cartoons or peers but not getting the info themselves.
Gods purpose is to save you from your hell.
U think roasties and kids are the answer to life? Common now. No kids and family is not the answer to happiness.rather the key is to find happyness and perfection in any situation. The point is for you to be happy.and perfect.
Also dont bother with buddhism u wont do it and its too hard to be true buddist .
I will brief you so you dont waste time.
Buddhism is also a root of christianity except they follow jesus actions. So theese guys will be doing 20-40 days true fasting. It works.
All i can say is get informed first. Its not easy. Anything is good if done right. And evennif you do budhism yoh might end up following the same God and not know it. But if you dont get informed and you do t do things right then nothing will work anyways
Whats the point of living if he already knows if you are going to be good or not? Why not just start us in heaven or hell, if everything is predetermined then there is no free will
Ahhh see thats what you are not seeing
You are right whats the point. He already knows. And he gave yoh life. Therefore you are already chosen since birth weather you know it or not he already loves u eternally.
The rest is mostly imaginary
it is literally all of us, its not a story. how much shit can you be put through and not shake your faith. the fact it is a story is just crystalizing a universal truth
the point to me is like math, it is hard coded. a ritual. these questions and answers are built in. doesnt matter who pops in to experience them. they are the very meaning of reality. so we must ask ourselves these questions in order to understand why we are here.
Yes but those questions are whats killing us inside.
What we need to do is finds enough truth for us to be happy or understand. But everything is perfect. As you start findi g theese truths you will see it rounds back to God.
Take it slow and simple be open minded and stay positive .
God=positive
Devil=negative
But ppl wana follow the devil and be positive it wont work. It cant because our history shows us we cant escape truth=God
Devil=negative
Keep on not being human, anyways I'm off. Have fun with your god which is clearly NOT my God
God is just God, anon. You exist to extertain her. Nothing more.
No the devil exists to.entertain God, God loves us. Devil and demons are seperate from us
The akuma (悪魔) is a malevolent fire spirit in Japanese folklore.
>Deut 4:24, "Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est" ("The Lord your God is a consuming fire")
Look at
So it is just like a major version of God playing the Sims. It either decides to take care of some of them while traping others in a room with no doors while it shits,pissed its self and dies depending on the player's mood
Okay lets assume Gods playing sims. Is he going to look out the ones who love him or hate him.
God is not human God is truth. Try and find an imagine in that. Job showed us God is true. He was attacked directly by the devil and lived fruitfully .
God is hope. So if you have hope you have God even if you dont know it
So we're all just a game to god. Figures.
God's a NEET c**t
It apparently doesn't mater if you love him or hate him because he seems to bless the most evil selfish terrible non believing warmongers with wealth power amd lineage. Been that way since the beginning doesn't mater if you are a human or an animal
Yes u made a great point it doesnt matter he loves us regardless.
So now that we know a truth we can kove forward.
Rather than work on changing something we can change lets do what we do have control over.
Which is the way we feel. And that right there is where the power of god comes in. Thats freedom. Power to love what you want and feel however you wish yo feel toward whatever.
But slavery which is what the devim does wants you to feel you are ugly, bad, cursed ect.
When in reality we can feel what we want and be free but thats a hard journey to get where you want to be.
Think of God as the body. Our human body and we are the imagination. He controls the body and events but we get to play with the imagination.
Ever seen a baby how haooy he is with trash like a plastic cup.
Why did that change as we grew up God didnt do that. Tv and pol told u that a plastic cup should not make u happy. Instead women work and money should.
And now you are on an endless journey to find happyness.
When in reality it wasnt the cup, women or money that made u happy but rather the way you see things
take your meds now you nubody schizogay
There is nothing more beautiful than my God.
God is the Devil and Satan is her sibling. Don't bother to argue with me. I'm right anyway.
Ahhh job.one of my favorites.
Why indeed would God allow that to happe ? It would be easy to say that without those events we would.not be here today as we are.
Satan was allowed to do that so that we and he can see how worthless they are against God.
Keeo in mind job never really lost that which held the most value which was life. And by staying faithful to God he got many times over his blessings. Maybe his old family sucked. Maybe his old wife kids and job sucked.
He got a second chance at life and was allowed to personally a
Talk to and listen to God. I would argue a good majority of us would gladly take jobs place considering the benefit.
Also noticed here how God "allowed" the devil. It sends chills down my spine . He needs to show his power somehow else how would he have followers.
Was the juice worth the squeeze heck yeah. Just be grateful our God is lord in heaven and not the devil who tortured job.
In the book it's clear that Job doesn't have family problems. Imagine going so much out of your way with mental gymnastics to justify this true insanity.
That might be YOUR God, but it sure as hell ain't MY God. No wonder Jesus said to his disciples they're worshipping a wrong God, and thanks for showing it to everyone here Anon.
Don't forget the boils and sores laying I'm.ash praying for a death when it never comes and having his wife and friends turn their backs to him and mock him
It would be like cutting a puppy's legs and and then saying well since you are still happy to see me I'm going to give you new prosthetic legs probably not the same as the old legs but just deal with it
Lol YES exactly! Like what the actual frick! It's akin to all that crap people are on that you somehow HAVE to have darkness to experience light(bad to experience good)
>Oh look at that happy child jumping in a puddle and running around dancing
>To be sure he appreciates it, we must now torture it and make it cry and beg for death.
Literally psychopaths
Delicious mmmm.
Would you really want a wife or kids who turn their back on you? If anything God was freeing him frick those traitors worthless .
Forget the boils and sores okay i wont forget. Lets also not forget the paradise he won.
We may not understand time well. So a few weeks of pain in exchange for eternal salvation is hard to understand , but God knows whats best.
God is good you are just seeing the negative and thats what all this is about changing negative view and feeling into positive if you so choose
The kids didn't turn their back on him because Satan killed them before they could. Also can you blame the first wife?
Okay then the kids died then.
The wife sounds weak. Can u imagine being sick not able to work and your kids die and to keep yourself from giving up you turn to God only to have your spouse change because you are no longer providing
Like i said he was freed from that woman. The message of the story is much bigger in that book we are called star dust. How beautiful is that.
Heres a hippthetical offer
Which do you prefer to have.
Women?
Money?
God?
The choice is yours
I wouldn't expect my wife to be happy if I still praised the police if they just let a murderer kill her kids while they could have stopped it and let him go free
Yeah police is not God. I bet when she was telling job to curse his God her face turned into the devil.what if God had cursed God? I bet it wouldnt have been a happy ending
Its hard man God is not the police. In fact we can put God as a being who is only positive. God is the good and positivity left in us its all we have in bad times. And in reality its all we really have.its just us and god in the end so itts something to keep in mind.
God is truth not opinio s or ideas.
And you got no truth in you, so go figure
You're right, God is infinitely more powerfull than the police which makes it even worse
If this doesn’t prove that yahweh is a psycho I don’t know what else does, it’s impossible to reconcile the book of job and the idea that yahweh is “all loving”
Job:38 is just God telling Job to cope and seethe
Omnipotent.
>job
>ruin a devout follower's life
Jesus Christ how did i not see it before
smart guy
Ecclesiastes 7:15
The israelite foreskin gobbler Torah "god" IS Satan.
It took this long for someone to point it out. The “God” of the Old Testament is not Jesus Christ, or the Father of Jesus Christ. It’s blatantly clear. However, I do think the Father of Christ, the true God, does appear in the OT, he’s just not the main one.
I think that if you and I had a real life sit down chat then I could prove that all religions are completely wrong.
I think the main pint of the Book of Job is that God caught Satan lying. At the beginning, Satan was apparentlyin God's good graces. Satan told God that job would curse him if his life of ease was taken away. God told Satan he could take it away but then Job never cursed God and Satan's lie was revealed. I think this is where God first became ware of Satan's rebellion and "the fall" was initiated. When I read this book. the main point is that God caught Satan lying in the assembly of angels.
Who am I kidding this is a simulation on a Google server run by a guy who use to remove the pool ladder in the Sims as a kid
>you have to go back
Peshat (פְּשָׁט) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.
Remez (רֶמֶז) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash (דְּרַשׁ) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod (סוֹד) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.
>God helps those who help themselves
people are fooled, God grew over the course of the bible, the most powerful force in the universe is love
the wages of sin is death
the wages of the king of sin
is the family
perhaps it wasnt pride that motivated god, but perhaps a chance for the morning star to once again see gods light.
perhaps god wished to love his best angel once more, and he saw an opportunity that might show his prodigal son the way home.
or it was just some bullshit story that again marks the israeli ethos that gods chosen are such that
becuase gods chosen must suffer.
and when a bunch of bad luck comes your way like job you just gotta believe that your suffering is his will becuase god wants to defeat evil.
You don’t bet against god even if you roll the dice he knows what will land. He knew exactly why Job played out the way it did and he knew he could count on him as a warrior in Christ to hold his faith. It wasn’t about God and Job is was about God proving to Lucifer how strong we can be
Because he can. It's all explained right there. Read the book of Job.
Why does he replace Job's children and act like that fixes anything? His original beloved children are still dead
>Why would God tell Satan to ruin a devout follows life over a bet?
He didn't, it's just a story with a moral and a metaphysical truth embeded into it that flew over your head like a metaphorical UFO.
no
You're looking at it from an overly literal perspective learn Hebrew and gematria and you'll see why
Why would a devout follower not ask for help in the middle of having their life ruined?
If you were a loving God, and Satan was kinda fricked, what would you do?
> Ignore him forever
Is it possible to ignore someone forever and still be loving?
> Give him a playground
If you are a loving God, and you gave someone a playground, what would you do?
If through your sheer power the playground you made manifested sentient beings when your intent was for a "test run" without sentient beings, but your dicked of a creation decided to the one thing he was explicitly told not to do?
> It is almost as if Humanity in and of it self is a story about Satan's rebellion against God.
I don't know though, I am just some random person on the internet.
It quite literally is a mystery OP. Church Fathers have pondered this for two thousand years but we can trust God in knowing He has a plan of good in the end. Amen.
God is an butthole. And he treats humas like toys he can use and throw away while trying to guilt them out for what they are.
I have always thought if god exists, he's like the kid Syd in "Toy Story" and we are the toys.
The mental gymnastics christgays will do to justify this shit story is astounding
Because he’s not a good or perfect god. He is just some middle man making bets with another. This is flawed behavior and far from “perfection.”
Christian Universalism is the only version of Christianity that can solve these problems. If God resurrects everyone at the end of time, then he never really murdered anyone. It was all just one bad dream
Because god is a piece of shit who made everything for himself.
Everything bad that has ever happened is part of his design, and the endgame of his design is for him to feel worshipped by everyone he has created.
He is like a vampire, feeding off his worshippers who have to live here and suffer while he sits on a throne in heaven.
He doesn't deserve it.
Wasn't the whole point to see if man would pick everlasting salvation vs material life? Yes his kids and wife are dead but once job finally passed away he would have been whisked up to heaven and had all of his loved ones back.
Try reading it as a metaphore. The story is about Job, and the proper way to behave when faced by adversity.