>Shintel
is this even an insult, because sounds pretty cool >"because it's the original one"
no, it's better because it is literally more powerful and more reliable. >all boomers
define boomer age
>insult?
Ah, let me reword it for your senile brain. Shitel or Shitnel, pick one that filters you more. >better
LOL >boomer age?
Everyone older and more stubborn and dumber than me.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Ah, let me reword it for your senile brain. Shitel or Shitnel, pick one that filters you more.
you're a child >LOL
not an argument, the benchmark data speaks for itself >Everyone older and more stubborn and dumber than me.
you're a child
2 months ago
Anonymous
KYS TMKD
2 months ago
Anonymous
>you're a child
That's a bad thing? U jelly? >muh bench mench
My FX-8300 glides through what your i9-14900KS sweats and pants around >repeating himself
Not my problem
2 months ago
Anonymous
>That's a bad thing?
yes, you must have a nice day >My FX-8300 glides through what your i9-14900KS sweats and pants around >i have an i9-14900k, it's faster than what you have, you're just a poor little boy from europe, a Black person continent >Not my problem
no, but you do have to have a nice day right now, don't even reply, just hang right after you read this. first have a nice day, then reply
2 months ago
Anonymous
>filtered to projection
Hehehe
2 months ago
Anonymous
>filtered by intel
how. it's the most popular cpu. the only reason people use amd is they don't have a job and can't afford intel. it's like how people can't afford iphones. you should get a better job, europoor euroshit
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm so tired of Americans it's unreal.
The AQ must have a solution.
2 months ago
Anonymous
LOL i knew you were a fricking euroPEDO, europe should be nuked over and over until every last one of you is dead >AQ
don't care
2 months ago
Anonymous
>euro >pedo
americans literally sacrifice their infant sons dick parts to satan as a tradition
2 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong. They do it for literally no reason at all, which is way funnier.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you are european
you are literally the worlds homosexuals
the meme across the world is that you are all homosexuals
everyone laughs at you because you're gay
and you're all Black folk
you are literally a gay Black person continent
2 months ago
Anonymous
The irony of course is that this was posted by a brown mutt who could never innovate anything. You would still be living in mud huts without Europe. Also your daily toilet break is over, go back to sucking israelite wiener.
>no, it's better because it is literally more powerful
I mean it depends. For gaming they trade blows, but for productivity intel is left behind. With AMD you can get 16 actual cores vs Intel's 8 real cores + 16 * (1/4) cores. But you get all of this with a generally higher power usage so bear that in mind. That said for a normal user modern i5s are an amazing value proposition and I would recommend them over AMD any day.
>more reliable.
You are right in the sense that any x3D CPU that had over 8 cores (7900x3D and 7950x3D) had some issues due to cheaping out and only putting V-Cache on one CCD instead of both causing latency spikes when being used by the other CCD. No issues like that were present on any other model. This is also kinda similar to what happened when Intel started with their little big architecture, windows had to get support in order for it to work. But other than this weird edge-case I haven't heard issues from any of my friends who had Ryzen over all of these years and neither did I frankly.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Man if those were the ONLY issues with AMD. I tried going the AMD route and it was a buggy mess.
only poor people care about how much power their computer uses. you must be from europe, india, or china.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>heat and noise dont exist
I know pea brain
2 months ago
Anonymous
>noise
bro, my computer has been silent for so many years i don't even know how long at this point. does your computer actually make noise? LOL you're fricking pooooooor bro
2 months ago
Anonymous
you can cope all you want but that 300W CPU of yours will make your fans ramp up, or burn your house down
2 months ago
Anonymous
bro i have a 1600 watt titanium power supply, you're fricking dumb and poor
2 months ago
Anonymous
YOU NEED TO COOL THAT THING Black person, IT WILL MAKE NOISE
2 months ago
Anonymous
it's literally silent, you ok?
2 months ago
Anonymous
post cooler
2 months ago
Anonymous
nah you're gay
2 months ago
Anonymous
>1600W
Cool you confirmed you live in a 220W poverty nation.
2 months ago
Anonymous
explain how
2 months ago
Anonymous
notice how you never can explain how me owning a 1600 watt power supply in the united states makes me own a 220w power supply in your third world shit hole you fricking pedophile, the police are coming for you, they are on their way
>Intel’s Global Desktop & Notebook PC CPU Shipments Reached 50 Million Units, More Than 3 Times Higher Than AMD & Apple Combined
https://wccftech.com/intel-global-desktop-notebook-pc-cpu-shipments-50-million-units-3-times-more-amd-apple-combined/
Then you ask me: why does Intel sell more to the corporate/OEM market than AMD? This outcome reflects the corporate market; very few companies purchase CPUs from AMD. The company I work for has approximately 80 thousand machines, of which almost 95% are Intel, and the remaining 5% are Apple. Other companies follow the same path. When studies are conducted for IT asset renewal, reliability and stability carry significant weight, and Intel has excelled in this over the years. I'm not an Intel fanboy; I use AMD products, and I know they are currently better than in the past, but AMD lacks positive marketing. If they want to grow, they have to invest heavily to improve this poor image from the past that still influences the present.
Furthermore, AMD faces issues with EVERY SINGLE RELEASE! It's ridiculous!
>Intel’s Global Desktop & Notebook PC CPU Shipments Reached 50 Million Units, More Than 3 Times Higher Than AMD & Apple Combined
https://wccftech.com/intel-global-desktop-notebook-pc-cpu-shipments-50-million-units-3-times-more-amd-apple-combined/
Then you ask me: why does Intel sell more to the corporate/OEM market than AMD? This outcome reflects the corporate market; very few companies purchase CPUs from AMD. The company I work for has approximately 80 thousand machines, of which almost 95% are Intel, and the remaining 5% are Apple. Other companies follow the same path. When studies are conducted for IT asset renewal, reliability and stability carry significant weight, and Intel has excelled in this over the years. I'm not an Intel fanboy; I use AMD products, and I know they are currently better than in the past, but AMD lacks positive marketing. If they want to grow, they have to invest heavily to improve this poor image from the past that still influences the present.
Furthermore, AMD faces issues with EVERY SINGLE RELEASE! It's ridiculous!
When you buy in bulk in the corporate market, Intel offers a larger discount, better payment terms, and infinitely better support. Claiming warranty with Intel is super-fast and without (as much) bureaucracy. On the other hand, AMD may require DNA tests and takes time to approve warranties (in half of the cases, you need to insist and request a new technical evaluation).
If you detect any bugs, Intel has an excellent support channel and within less than a month, they release an update with the fix. AMD, on the other hand, requires you to send an email to a specific department that leaves you hanging for months or even years without a response ("Your request is being analyzed by the responsible technical department and will be answered once a solution is found.").
So, you end up praying for some generic AGESA or chipset update to help with the solution. Often, it's better to approach Microsoft for a fix through the operating system, but that usually results in performance loss.
With AMD, the pricing and payment terms are non-negotiable, they always direct you to a partner to push for the complete system (even if you only want batches of GPUs or CPUs, for example), and support is bureaucratic, slow, and a nightmare from start to finish.
AMD is still in diapers in terms of added value and doesn't want to evolve, which is why it will never lead the industry.
I speak from over a decade of experience in companies that spend millions annually.
That was only true back in early 2010s and before. The scene is completely different now. Intel is actually the underdog now. Spectre and Meltdown debacles have utterly destroyed Intel's prestige in the professional space. They no longer have their lead in fab technology to fallback on either.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No kid, this still true in actual days.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Intel shill still living in denial detected
2 months ago
Anonymous
https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-epyc-journey-continues-to-milan-in-cloudflares-11th-generation-edge-server >Requests per Watt is one of our defining characteristics when testing new hardware and we use it to identify how much more efficient a new hardware generation is than the previous generation. We continually strive to reduce our operational costs and power consumption reduction is one of the most important parts of this. It’s good for the planet and we can fit more servers into a rack, reducing our physical footprint. >The design of these Generation 11 x86 servers has been in parallel with our efforts to design next-generation edge servers using the Ampere Altra Arm architecture. You can read more about our tests in a blog post by my colleague Sung and we will document our work on Arm at the edge in a subsequent blog post. >We evaluated Intel’s latest generation of “Ice Lake” Xeon processors. Although Intel’s chips were able to compete with AMD in terms of raw performance, the power consumption was several hundred watts higher per server - that’s enormous. This meant that Intel’s Performance per Watt was unattractive.
2 months ago
Anonymous
read the fricking reply chain you literal shill bot
2 months ago
Anonymous
Seething jeet. Intel's more developed support chain (read: lock-in contracts with OEMs) doesn't matter when no one wants to buy their housefire hardware because of power consumption under load. Intlel makes no sense to buy unless you're a gaymer moron that still thinks owning intel is a flex like in the days of haswell. They're inferior to amd at every level except power consumption at low/idle loads.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>They're inferior to amd at every level
did you not read the part about agesa bugs? and
>for the first time in decades, cpu defects need to be considered in troubleshooting >horrible buggy motherboards/firmware, gazillion fricking issues. not stable >"fryzen". kills itself within 7 years due to outrageous voltage because MUH BANCHMARK >constant driver issues with gpus, now even on the famous leunuchs driver >former prominent ComMuNItY manager PR guy is a libtard with shoe fetish >woman ceo
OP is right that it is a contrarian fit by redditor fanboy types. if you consider the whole picture, amd is simply not worth it
delusional
2 months ago
Anonymous
>anecdotes
If amd was shipping bad firmware in enterprise parts their market share wouldn't have climbed vs intel for the last decade. Those issues are caused by consumer mobo vendors ignoring spec sheets, trying to get a value add on their $20 chinkshit that 10 other vendors are also selling, each with their own tacky RGBs and heatsinks.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>If amd was shipping bad firmware in enterprise parts
that's literally my point, if you had read the reply chain instead of resorting to amd shill bot programming it would be clear that it isn't about enterprise. YES, amd server cpus are great >Those issues are caused by consumer mobo vendors ignoring spec sheets
there are simply no excuses for the sheer amount of issues fryzen had and has
anecdotal MY ASS. they have confirmed higher RMA rates
all amd users eventually bites the dust, their fanboy forum subreddit are filled to the brim with gaymers that have all sorts of insane weird janky issues that one could only dream of with intel. also countless confessions in these threads from ex-amd fanboys who got tired of dealing with all the bullshit
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just not going to buy intlel hardware over your anecdotes, sorry. >14+++++++ nm is fine >10+++++++ nm is fine >estrogen cores are fine >having TSMC fab almost every tile on the chip is fine >out of control power consumption is fine >out of control pricing is fine >losing hyperthreading is fine >cancelling desktop parts (MTL) is fine >intel 4 (=TSMC N6) will save us >20A will save us >18A will save us >rentable units will save us >backside power delivery will save us
etc.
Gelsinger is speedrunning turning intel into bulldozer era amd, soon to be fabless too.
2 months ago
Anonymous
cores are fine
i don't like the hybrid shit either. but it's not like ryzen has a low latency either
hyperthreading is fine
SMT is fundamentally insecure, amd is slowly being crippled too in terms of security issues >soon to be fabless too.
pretty sure they're going in the opposite direction, they're building fabs like crazy
2 months ago
Anonymous
>but it's not like ryzen has a low latency either
If you buy a 2 CCD part I assume you have a good reason and it's not for latency sensitive workloads. i.e. not a gaymer moron who thinks bigger number = better. >SMT is fundamentally insecure
This is true but intel has never cared about security, lest we forget how much spectre and meltdown mitigations impacted them vs amd. Intel are dumping SMT because their implementation is full of enough holes that it's a reputational issue for them in enterprise. Their rentable units project is an overly complex smokescreen for that and a bit of sunk cost fallacy over making big.little designs with different microarchitectures "work". If intel (or amd) really cared about this, they'd increase the performance core count, but both sides are determined not to offer more than 8 in a single CCD equivalent. >amd is slowly being crippled too in terms of security issues
Not to the same degree. Intel just had to ship new mitigations.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-March-2024-Security
Frankly though you're an idiot if you enable any mitigations on a desktop computer. >pretty sure they're going in the opposite direction, they're building fabs like crazy
Intel is spending vast amounts of money investing in new fabs and new nodes, but are doing it under the assumption that they can eventually get the money back by getting fab contracts from third parties. I don't see why anyone should use intel as their primary supplier when intel can't do enough volume for their internal consumption on any of their new nodes. At that point, why not just go direct to TSMC? Intel fabs lack confidence from design houses and investors across the board.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/manufacturing/pentagon-pulls-out-of-intels-dollar25-billion-chips-act-grant-expects-commerce-department-to-foot-the-bill
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Seething and coping Intel shill trying to use FUD tactics on stuff that hasn't been true for a decade+
>Frog poster >I speak from over a decade of experience in companies that spend millions annually.
Go back to your chicken nuggies mom brought home to your basement.
OP no longer knows, he just calls anyone using brands he doesn't a "contrarian".
It's a word only used by the shallowest people, with brain matter only lining the very inside of the skull cavity due to a congenital defect where the large intestine is connected to the brain stem.
because there is a time where each human becomes and edgy rebelious twat but some do not grow out of it. It's for example why some born in religous families end up having children that become edgy atheists and dont grow out of it so they stay atheistic moroner as adults too.
In this case, intel was Le Creme De La Creme at everything compared to amd. Even with this situation, the edge lord contrarian moron goes and buys amd instead of intel even though he has more than plenty of money to go intel, ¿why? because since the treand and rational thing is to buy intel, he'll go and buy amd.
That's what he means
anon, there are plenty of reasons to choose amd over intel, like prices and way longer lasting platforms (AM4 has been around since forever, for example)
>for the first time in decades, cpu defects need to be considered in troubleshooting >horrible buggy motherboards/firmware, gazillion fricking issues. not stable >"fryzen". kills itself within 7 years due to outrageous voltage because MUH BANCHMARK >constant driver issues with gpus, now even on the famous leunuchs driver >former prominent ComMuNItY manager PR guy is a libtard with shoe fetish >woman ceo
OP is right that it is a contrarian fit by redditor fanboy types. if you consider the whole picture, amd is simply not worth it
>only two cpu manufacturers >if you don't buy the one i like of the only two that exists you're a contrarian
anon, take your meds immediately, but first have a nice day
i use intel in my laptop because linux support is a bit better, and a radeon for the same reason in my desktop, along with a ryzen cpu because it's more efficient.
i'm looking forward to all innovations from intel, amd and nvidia, and i hope things stay competitive.
This isn't the Bulldozer, OP.
Jim saved AMD and Lisa's just starting to take notice of the AI market since her crazy cousin is extorting his customers.
>better prices
if you're poor, yes >better compatibility with linux
tell me exactly how >not giving money to intel aviv
Intel Corporation is an American multinational corporation and technology company headquartered in Santa Clara, California, and incorporated in Delaware.
i get amd stuff because it's generally the best bang-for-buck and works better with the software i want to use, that's all
i don't know about what's more popular, i use what suits me
Nope, they are well and alive you brainlet. What is actually happening is that performance discrete GPUs are becoming inconsequential, small money for AMD and Nvidia as iGPUs become good enough for the masses. Their interests and energy are being spend on more lucrative enterprises.
My last too machines have both been Nvidia and I would probably say they're the better of the 2 cards but just out of spite because of how moronic the Nvidia CEO has been lately I might go AMD just on that alone.
what year are you living in, no one told you about ryzen? if you mean gpus you are right. (unless if you use them for linux because they work better than nvidia gpus for linux.)
I've been buying AMD since like 2001. I did because I think 90% of the power of the competitor top end for 40% of the cost is good. Every intel-based laptop I've ever owned has shit the bed in <3 years too.
what do you mean by this
OP and all boomers believe that Shintel is superior "because it's the original one"
>Shintel
is this even an insult, because sounds pretty cool
>"because it's the original one"
no, it's better because it is literally more powerful and more reliable.
>all boomers
define boomer age
>insult?
Ah, let me reword it for your senile brain. Shitel or Shitnel, pick one that filters you more.
>better
LOL
>boomer age?
Everyone older and more stubborn and dumber than me.
>Ah, let me reword it for your senile brain. Shitel or Shitnel, pick one that filters you more.
you're a child
>LOL
not an argument, the benchmark data speaks for itself
>Everyone older and more stubborn and dumber than me.
you're a child
KYS TMKD
>you're a child
That's a bad thing? U jelly?
>muh bench mench
My FX-8300 glides through what your i9-14900KS sweats and pants around
>repeating himself
Not my problem
>That's a bad thing?
yes, you must have a nice day
>My FX-8300 glides through what your i9-14900KS sweats and pants around
>i have an i9-14900k, it's faster than what you have, you're just a poor little boy from europe, a Black person continent
>Not my problem
no, but you do have to have a nice day right now, don't even reply, just hang right after you read this. first have a nice day, then reply
>filtered to projection
Hehehe
>filtered by intel
how. it's the most popular cpu. the only reason people use amd is they don't have a job and can't afford intel. it's like how people can't afford iphones. you should get a better job, europoor euroshit
I'm so tired of Americans it's unreal.
The AQ must have a solution.
LOL i knew you were a fricking euroPEDO, europe should be nuked over and over until every last one of you is dead
>AQ
don't care
>euro
>pedo
americans literally sacrifice their infant sons dick parts to satan as a tradition
Wrong. They do it for literally no reason at all, which is way funnier.
you are european
you are literally the worlds homosexuals
the meme across the world is that you are all homosexuals
everyone laughs at you because you're gay
and you're all Black folk
you are literally a gay Black person continent
The irony of course is that this was posted by a brown mutt who could never innovate anything. You would still be living in mud huts without Europe. Also your daily toilet break is over, go back to sucking israelite wiener.
>hehehe
You are not a little girl,homosexual.
>no, it's better because it is literally more powerful
I mean it depends. For gaming they trade blows, but for productivity intel is left behind. With AMD you can get 16 actual cores vs Intel's 8 real cores + 16 * (1/4) cores. But you get all of this with a generally higher power usage so bear that in mind. That said for a normal user modern i5s are an amazing value proposition and I would recommend them over AMD any day.
>more reliable.
You are right in the sense that any x3D CPU that had over 8 cores (7900x3D and 7950x3D) had some issues due to cheaping out and only putting V-Cache on one CCD instead of both causing latency spikes when being used by the other CCD. No issues like that were present on any other model. This is also kinda similar to what happened when Intel started with their little big architecture, windows had to get support in order for it to work. But other than this weird edge-case I haven't heard issues from any of my friends who had Ryzen over all of these years and neither did I frankly.
Man if those were the ONLY issues with AMD. I tried going the AMD route and it was a buggy mess.
>more powerful
they suck more power alright
only poor people care about how much power their computer uses. you must be from europe, india, or china.
>heat and noise dont exist
I know pea brain
>noise
bro, my computer has been silent for so many years i don't even know how long at this point. does your computer actually make noise? LOL you're fricking pooooooor bro
you can cope all you want but that 300W CPU of yours will make your fans ramp up, or burn your house down
bro i have a 1600 watt titanium power supply, you're fricking dumb and poor
YOU NEED TO COOL THAT THING Black person, IT WILL MAKE NOISE
it's literally silent, you ok?
post cooler
nah you're gay
>1600W
Cool you confirmed you live in a 220W poverty nation.
explain how
notice how you never can explain how me owning a 1600 watt power supply in the united states makes me own a 220w power supply in your third world shit hole you fricking pedophile, the police are coming for you, they are on their way
>the original one
If so, then why did Intel license AMD64 from them and turned it into x86_64?
>Intel’s Global Desktop & Notebook PC CPU Shipments Reached 50 Million Units, More Than 3 Times Higher Than AMD & Apple Combined
https://wccftech.com/intel-global-desktop-notebook-pc-cpu-shipments-50-million-units-3-times-more-amd-apple-combined/
Then you ask me: why does Intel sell more to the corporate/OEM market than AMD? This outcome reflects the corporate market; very few companies purchase CPUs from AMD. The company I work for has approximately 80 thousand machines, of which almost 95% are Intel, and the remaining 5% are Apple. Other companies follow the same path. When studies are conducted for IT asset renewal, reliability and stability carry significant weight, and Intel has excelled in this over the years. I'm not an Intel fanboy; I use AMD products, and I know they are currently better than in the past, but AMD lacks positive marketing. If they want to grow, they have to invest heavily to improve this poor image from the past that still influences the present.
Furthermore, AMD faces issues with EVERY SINGLE RELEASE! It's ridiculous!
When you buy in bulk in the corporate market, Intel offers a larger discount, better payment terms, and infinitely better support. Claiming warranty with Intel is super-fast and without (as much) bureaucracy. On the other hand, AMD may require DNA tests and takes time to approve warranties (in half of the cases, you need to insist and request a new technical evaluation).
If you detect any bugs, Intel has an excellent support channel and within less than a month, they release an update with the fix. AMD, on the other hand, requires you to send an email to a specific department that leaves you hanging for months or even years without a response ("Your request is being analyzed by the responsible technical department and will be answered once a solution is found.").
So, you end up praying for some generic AGESA or chipset update to help with the solution. Often, it's better to approach Microsoft for a fix through the operating system, but that usually results in performance loss.
With AMD, the pricing and payment terms are non-negotiable, they always direct you to a partner to push for the complete system (even if you only want batches of GPUs or CPUs, for example), and support is bureaucratic, slow, and a nightmare from start to finish.
AMD is still in diapers in terms of added value and doesn't want to evolve, which is why it will never lead the industry.
I speak from over a decade of experience in companies that spend millions annually.
That was only true back in early 2010s and before. The scene is completely different now. Intel is actually the underdog now. Spectre and Meltdown debacles have utterly destroyed Intel's prestige in the professional space. They no longer have their lead in fab technology to fallback on either.
No kid, this still true in actual days.
>Intel shill still living in denial detected
https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-epyc-journey-continues-to-milan-in-cloudflares-11th-generation-edge-server
>Requests per Watt is one of our defining characteristics when testing new hardware and we use it to identify how much more efficient a new hardware generation is than the previous generation. We continually strive to reduce our operational costs and power consumption reduction is one of the most important parts of this. It’s good for the planet and we can fit more servers into a rack, reducing our physical footprint.
>The design of these Generation 11 x86 servers has been in parallel with our efforts to design next-generation edge servers using the Ampere Altra Arm architecture. You can read more about our tests in a blog post by my colleague Sung and we will document our work on Arm at the edge in a subsequent blog post.
>We evaluated Intel’s latest generation of “Ice Lake” Xeon processors. Although Intel’s chips were able to compete with AMD in terms of raw performance, the power consumption was several hundred watts higher per server - that’s enormous. This meant that Intel’s Performance per Watt was unattractive.
read the fricking reply chain you literal shill bot
Seething jeet. Intel's more developed support chain (read: lock-in contracts with OEMs) doesn't matter when no one wants to buy their housefire hardware because of power consumption under load. Intlel makes no sense to buy unless you're a gaymer moron that still thinks owning intel is a flex like in the days of haswell. They're inferior to amd at every level except power consumption at low/idle loads.
>They're inferior to amd at every level
did you not read the part about agesa bugs? and
>anecdotes
If amd was shipping bad firmware in enterprise parts their market share wouldn't have climbed vs intel for the last decade. Those issues are caused by consumer mobo vendors ignoring spec sheets, trying to get a value add on their $20 chinkshit that 10 other vendors are also selling, each with their own tacky RGBs and heatsinks.
>If amd was shipping bad firmware in enterprise parts
that's literally my point, if you had read the reply chain instead of resorting to amd shill bot programming it would be clear that it isn't about enterprise. YES, amd server cpus are great
>Those issues are caused by consumer mobo vendors ignoring spec sheets
there are simply no excuses for the sheer amount of issues fryzen had and has
anecdotal MY ASS. they have confirmed higher RMA rates
all amd users eventually bites the dust, their fanboy forum subreddit are filled to the brim with gaymers that have all sorts of insane weird janky issues that one could only dream of with intel. also countless confessions in these threads from ex-amd fanboys who got tired of dealing with all the bullshit
I'm just not going to buy intlel hardware over your anecdotes, sorry.
>14+++++++ nm is fine
>10+++++++ nm is fine
>estrogen cores are fine
>having TSMC fab almost every tile on the chip is fine
>out of control power consumption is fine
>out of control pricing is fine
>losing hyperthreading is fine
>cancelling desktop parts (MTL) is fine
>intel 4 (=TSMC N6) will save us
>20A will save us
>18A will save us
>rentable units will save us
>backside power delivery will save us
etc.
Gelsinger is speedrunning turning intel into bulldozer era amd, soon to be fabless too.
cores are fine
i don't like the hybrid shit either. but it's not like ryzen has a low latency either
hyperthreading is fine
SMT is fundamentally insecure, amd is slowly being crippled too in terms of security issues
>soon to be fabless too.
pretty sure they're going in the opposite direction, they're building fabs like crazy
>but it's not like ryzen has a low latency either
If you buy a 2 CCD part I assume you have a good reason and it's not for latency sensitive workloads. i.e. not a gaymer moron who thinks bigger number = better.
>SMT is fundamentally insecure
This is true but intel has never cared about security, lest we forget how much spectre and meltdown mitigations impacted them vs amd. Intel are dumping SMT because their implementation is full of enough holes that it's a reputational issue for them in enterprise. Their rentable units project is an overly complex smokescreen for that and a bit of sunk cost fallacy over making big.little designs with different microarchitectures "work". If intel (or amd) really cared about this, they'd increase the performance core count, but both sides are determined not to offer more than 8 in a single CCD equivalent.
>amd is slowly being crippled too in terms of security issues
Not to the same degree. Intel just had to ship new mitigations.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-March-2024-Security
Frankly though you're an idiot if you enable any mitigations on a desktop computer.
>pretty sure they're going in the opposite direction, they're building fabs like crazy
Intel is spending vast amounts of money investing in new fabs and new nodes, but are doing it under the assumption that they can eventually get the money back by getting fab contracts from third parties. I don't see why anyone should use intel as their primary supplier when intel can't do enough volume for their internal consumption on any of their new nodes. At that point, why not just go direct to TSMC? Intel fabs lack confidence from design houses and investors across the board.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/manufacturing/pentagon-pulls-out-of-intels-dollar25-billion-chips-act-grant-expects-commerce-department-to-foot-the-bill
>Seething and coping Intel shill trying to use FUD tactics on stuff that hasn't been true for a decade+
>Frog poster
>I speak from over a decade of experience in companies that spend millions annually.
Go back to your chicken nuggies mom brought home to your basement.
or people who have been around computers for 25+ years know how shit AMD is due to previously owning AMD
OP no longer knows, he just calls anyone using brands he doesn't a "contrarian".
It's a word only used by the shallowest people, with brain matter only lining the very inside of the skull cavity due to a congenital defect where the large intestine is connected to the brain stem.
cute question
because there is a time where each human becomes and edgy rebelious twat but some do not grow out of it. It's for example why some born in religous families end up having children that become edgy atheists and dont grow out of it so they stay atheistic moroner as adults too.
In this case, intel was Le Creme De La Creme at everything compared to amd. Even with this situation, the edge lord contrarian moron goes and buys amd instead of intel even though he has more than plenty of money to go intel, ¿why? because since the treand and rational thing is to buy intel, he'll go and buy amd.
That's what he means
i would perma ban you
>Why yes, I choose the best performance per dollar on a defined budget, how could you tell?
thats being a contrarian in the year of the lawd 608 * 3 + 200
anon, there are plenty of reasons to choose amd over intel, like prices and way longer lasting platforms (AM4 has been around since forever, for example)
yeah i know
im on an all amd machine rn
i was saying that ironically
can't wait for amd to git gud at ai so I can be even more contrarian. How long do you bois expect it to be? 2 years?
POV: You disable DLSS and enable FSR
post pic of foreskin
Stay mad israelite
I bought a 7970 and it was good. I think Zen 3 was the last product they made that interested me. They’re so bad at software though its unreal
>They’re so bad at software though its unreal
Memes from 2000s parroted by zoomers who in diapers at the time aren't remotely true.
>for the first time in decades, cpu defects need to be considered in troubleshooting
>horrible buggy motherboards/firmware, gazillion fricking issues. not stable
>"fryzen". kills itself within 7 years due to outrageous voltage because MUH BANCHMARK
>constant driver issues with gpus, now even on the famous leunuchs driver
>former prominent ComMuNItY manager PR guy is a libtard with shoe fetish
>woman ceo
OP is right that it is a contrarian fit by redditor fanboy types. if you consider the whole picture, amd is simply not worth it
delusional
>cpu defects need to be considered in troubleshooting
yes, thanks to intel abandoning every safety feature to israelite out performance
>Intel shill being this desperate and pining this hard for the late 2000s and early 2010s era.
>Resorting to nonsensical FUD
Sad
You'd have to be a contrarian to buy any CPU other than AMD, really. Intel has been shitty for many years.
>only two cpu manufacturers
>if you don't buy the one i like of the only two that exists you're a contrarian
anon, take your meds immediately, but first have a nice day
i use intel in my laptop because linux support is a bit better, and a radeon for the same reason in my desktop, along with a ryzen cpu because it's more efficient.
i'm looking forward to all innovations from intel, amd and nvidia, and i hope things stay competitive.
I think you'll find ~~*intel*~~ is the contrarians choice these days.
This isn't the Bulldozer, OP.
Jim saved AMD and Lisa's just starting to take notice of the AI market since her crazy cousin is extorting his customers.
>Why yes, I need usable Linux drivers.
That's AMD for you
>better prices
>better compatibility with linux
>not giving money to intel aviv
just shut the frick up, midwit
>better prices
if you're poor, yes
>better compatibility with linux
tell me exactly how
>not giving money to intel aviv
Intel Corporation is an American multinational corporation and technology company headquartered in Santa Clara, California, and incorporated in Delaware.
i get amd stuff because it's generally the best bang-for-buck and works better with the software i want to use, that's all
i don't know about what's more popular, i use what suits me
why are poltards obcessed with AMemeD? Its because Intlel is israeli?
AMD is basically dead and buried. The next cope will be RDNA4 that will collect dust while Nvidia steams ahead.
>cope upscaling
lel
just use xess then
Nope, they are well and alive you brainlet. What is actually happening is that performance discrete GPUs are becoming inconsequential, small money for AMD and Nvidia as iGPUs become good enough for the masses. Their interests and energy are being spend on more lucrative enterprises.
AMD iGPU will literally destroy NVIDIA for gaming market, NVIDIA has no CPU
AMD will pull apple silicon on nvidia with high perf bandwidths
Well I won't support intelaviv so that only leaves AMD
I just bought ryzen because the name sounds cool
My last too machines have both been Nvidia and I would probably say they're the better of the 2 cards but just out of spite because of how moronic the Nvidia CEO has been lately I might go AMD just on that alone.
5800X3D will become the next 2500k
>X3D
>next anything
anon, it's unstable duct tape pushed to its limits
Well, I use Linux, so I basically have to use AMD. I'm not sure if things got better with Nvidia, but that was the law back in the day.
What's up with the 1 minute+ memory training times on new AM5 Ryzens?
what year are you living in, no one told you about ryzen? if you mean gpus you are right. (unless if you use them for linux because they work better than nvidia gpus for linux.)
I've been buying AMD since like 2001. I did because I think 90% of the power of the competitor top end for 40% of the cost is good. Every intel-based laptop I've ever owned has shit the bed in <3 years too.
I didn't want to pay double the price of my 1070ti for a card in the same performance tier.