It's kinda weird how they are recent converts to islam around 18th century. Before that, they were either Orthodox christians or pagans.
Islam became crucial for their identity because of short sighted Russian policies headed by Alexander I which encouraged religious based colonization of the Northern Caucasus while ag the same time not backing up said colonists via help from the state, leading to decade long conflicts between Cossacks and the natives which would feature genocidal massacres by both sides. This led to multiple generations of north Caucasians to be radically Muslim as a uniting identity in the face of Russian aggresion. It’s the same reason why penisular Arabs became so fanatical aswell, the Portuguese actually tried to colonize Arabia which led to the formation of the Wahabist movement because the Ottomans were indiferrant to the colonization which led to Muslims becoming radicalized
they were more or less secular at the start of ichkeria (dudaev was a soviet general who suddenly remembered that he's a devout muslim right when he decided to form his own kingdom) but as they kept losing they had to to give in to islam more and more to attract muslim support and by the time of the second war they were full blown jihadists (no pun intended)
They have been Muslim for centuries and have warred with Russia at various periods, the most recent bout of Islamism in the 90s is a result of Gorbachev introducing liberal market reforms and allowing for greater local autonomy in the late 80s, which rapidly gave rise to ethnic and religious nationalism across the USSR. Same reason the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began exploding at the end of the 80s and why Tajikistan rapidly descended into civil war in the early 90s. Additionally, plenty of jihadis from Chechnya had begun returning from the Balkans and started waging war against Russia with money and guns they received from Saudi-connected groups and combat experience they received in Tajikistan and the Balkans.
>Additionally, plenty of jihadis from Chechnya had begun returning from the Balkans and started waging war against Russia with money and guns they received from Saudi-connected groups and combat experience they received in Tajikistan and the Balkans.
makes sense, thank you
the fact that Dudayev predicted this is all the more striking when you consider the fact that Ukrainians and Russians actually had a great deal of cultural affection for one another after the collapse of the USSR. They were almost as emotionally and culturally close as Canada and the USA. Look up footage of Ukrainian or Russian military parades on Youtube or other older sites all the way back to 2004 or so and the comment section is full of "Ukraine Russia BROTHER NATIONS!!!! RESPECT TO UKRAINE FROM RUSSIA (and vice versa)"
although i guess it's not *that* hard for a disillusioned insider to predict the future course of Russia. All you have to do is be cynical. For instance, i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so. screencap this
while this is plausible, i would have trouble believing Russia would be openly challenging NATO within 20 years in the year 1995 as well seeing as the country was on the verge of not fricking existing
>the fact that Dudayev predicted this is all the more striking
Dudayev here:
>For instance, i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so. screencap this
Solzhenitsyn was for it and Russian T.V. propaganda pundits (expressing the system's id) have already trotted out the line: biolabs in Kazakhstan, fake country, they're Nazis, in the future there will be clashes, etc.
>and Russian T.V. propaganda pundits (expressing the system's id) have already trotted out the line: biolabs in Kazakhstan, fake country, they're Nazis, in the future there will be clashes, etc
that's why i'm predicting that the Russians will start some low-intensity war like the one in Ukraine prior to 2022 in Kazakhstan. Wonder how the Chinese will react.
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Map here. Probably better for Russia not to wait too long if Kazakh birth rates are higher.
It would be kino if Russia manages to annex the Central Asia countries. It's their (former?) sphere of influence and they had some cool gigantic projects there
>i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so.
No, China will not allow that. Russia is being turned into a resource colony for China and will cease to have a separate foreign policy within a decade.
in 1980s, CIA was promoting the broadcasting of fundamentalist islamic radio broadcasts into the USSR, mostly out of Turkiye.
enemy of my enemy doctrine.
And that, right there, is why I think that Putin comes off smarter than the Israeli government these days. Putin reduced the rebellion to exiles fighting for the Ukrainian government.
All what the Israeli government has got to show for their decades of hard work and sacrifice is a hostage situation they're not even solving easily. Why didn't Israel simply get their equivalent of Ramazan Kadyrov to run Palestine?
>Why didn't Israel simply get their equivalent of Ramazan Kadyrov to run Palestine
In a way, they have this already in the form of a tacit “partnership” with the Saudis. Maybe a tense mutual understanding is a better term for it, but Gulf Arab states aren’t interested in persuing an anti-israel policy due to a greater fear of Iran.
it is obvious that the israelites simply do not even want to see the existence of anything similar to Muslims in the territory that they consider theirs.
while Russians do not care at all about the religious aspect, although Islamists are a real threat to the Russian state in the near future.
If I had to guess I'd say:
1.Conflict and danger generally increase religiousness.
2.No more commies to forbid being religious.
3. They can differentiate as separate from average Ivan.
Because they're Muslims I guess
so are azeris and other exsoviet muzzies but they remained secular after the ussr fell unlike chechens
Islam became crucial for their identity because of short sighted Russian policies headed by Alexander I which encouraged religious based colonization of the Northern Caucasus while ag the same time not backing up said colonists via help from the state, leading to decade long conflicts between Cossacks and the natives which would feature genocidal massacres by both sides. This led to multiple generations of north Caucasians to be radically Muslim as a uniting identity in the face of Russian aggresion. It’s the same reason why penisular Arabs became so fanatical aswell, the Portuguese actually tried to colonize Arabia which led to the formation of the Wahabist movement because the Ottomans were indiferrant to the colonization which led to Muslims becoming radicalized
It's kinda weird how they are recent converts to islam around 18th century. Before that, they were either Orthodox christians or pagans.
Chechens are very pious-natured in general
lol no they aren't the "Afghans" who went to help them freaked out about little they prayed
their only friends were wahhabi terrorists or some shit, they have no other connection to other countries
Maybe it was the CIA
>maybe
Is there concrete evidence?
Did you knew 6 years ago chechensbused to go srround wearing jeans ans stripped/squared shirts?
Now they dress like Black folk though. They were thoroughly globohomoed
They look like rednecks here in that pic
EW WHITE PEOPLE? PUT THEM IN BAGGY Black person CLOTHES STAT!
you ARE a Black person though
Rednecks are so le cringe though! They need to listen to dress like a pavement ape from atlanta.
i don't care about the post about chechen fashion you brown wienerroach. i care about the fact that your skin is as shit-brown as a Black person's.
Chechenya cool
they were more or less secular at the start of ichkeria (dudaev was a soviet general who suddenly remembered that he's a devout muslim right when he decided to form his own kingdom) but as they kept losing they had to to give in to islam more and more to attract muslim support and by the time of the second war they were full blown jihadists (no pun intended)
They have been Muslim for centuries and have warred with Russia at various periods, the most recent bout of Islamism in the 90s is a result of Gorbachev introducing liberal market reforms and allowing for greater local autonomy in the late 80s, which rapidly gave rise to ethnic and religious nationalism across the USSR. Same reason the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began exploding at the end of the 80s and why Tajikistan rapidly descended into civil war in the early 90s. Additionally, plenty of jihadis from Chechnya had begun returning from the Balkans and started waging war against Russia with money and guns they received from Saudi-connected groups and combat experience they received in Tajikistan and the Balkans.
they converted to Islam at the end of the 18th century, before that they were 100% pagans, if that.
>Additionally, plenty of jihadis from Chechnya had begun returning from the Balkans and started waging war against Russia with money and guns they received from Saudi-connected groups and combat experience they received in Tajikistan and the Balkans.
makes sense, thank you
They were secular at first, it happened around the 2nd war
the fact that Dudayev predicted this is all the more striking when you consider the fact that Ukrainians and Russians actually had a great deal of cultural affection for one another after the collapse of the USSR. They were almost as emotionally and culturally close as Canada and the USA. Look up footage of Ukrainian or Russian military parades on Youtube or other older sites all the way back to 2004 or so and the comment section is full of "Ukraine Russia BROTHER NATIONS!!!! RESPECT TO UKRAINE FROM RUSSIA (and vice versa)"
although i guess it's not *that* hard for a disillusioned insider to predict the future course of Russia. All you have to do is be cynical. For instance, i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so. screencap this
Russia will not be able to attack anyone in the next 20 years; the demographic damage from Z looks quite terrifying.
while this is plausible, i would have trouble believing Russia would be openly challenging NATO within 20 years in the year 1995 as well seeing as the country was on the verge of not fricking existing
>the fact that Dudayev predicted this is all the more striking
Dudayev here:
>For instance, i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so. screencap this
Solzhenitsyn was for it and Russian T.V. propaganda pundits (expressing the system's id) have already trotted out the line: biolabs in Kazakhstan, fake country, they're Nazis, in the future there will be clashes, etc.
>and Russian T.V. propaganda pundits (expressing the system's id) have already trotted out the line: biolabs in Kazakhstan, fake country, they're Nazis, in the future there will be clashes, etc
that's why i'm predicting that the Russians will start some low-intensity war like the one in Ukraine prior to 2022 in Kazakhstan. Wonder how the Chinese will react.
Map here. Probably better for Russia not to wait too long if Kazakh birth rates are higher.
It would be kino if Russia manages to annex the Central Asia countries. It's their (former?) sphere of influence and they had some cool gigantic projects there
>i predict that the situation will be highly unusual if Russian and Kazakh troops aren't shooting at each other by 2030 or so.
No, China will not allow that. Russia is being turned into a resource colony for China and will cease to have a separate foreign policy within a decade.
in 1980s, CIA was promoting the broadcasting of fundamentalist islamic radio broadcasts into the USSR, mostly out of Turkiye.
enemy of my enemy doctrine.
The only people who were willing to support their struggle were wahhabist Saudi oil sheikhs.
because of the war. they were sunni sufis, which is very different from fundementalist islam that detonators follow.
Because the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan. Their defeat in Afghanistan has resulted in tragic consequences for the whole world.
Ironically, Chechnya received a better fate.
without Russian funding, it would turn into a terrorist state on the level of Afghanistan.
And that, right there, is why I think that Putin comes off smarter than the Israeli government these days. Putin reduced the rebellion to exiles fighting for the Ukrainian government.
All what the Israeli government has got to show for their decades of hard work and sacrifice is a hostage situation they're not even solving easily. Why didn't Israel simply get their equivalent of Ramazan Kadyrov to run Palestine?
>Why didn't Israel simply get their equivalent of Ramazan Kadyrov to run Palestine
In a way, they have this already in the form of a tacit “partnership” with the Saudis. Maybe a tense mutual understanding is a better term for it, but Gulf Arab states aren’t interested in persuing an anti-israel policy due to a greater fear of Iran.
it is obvious that the israelites simply do not even want to see the existence of anything similar to Muslims in the territory that they consider theirs.
while Russians do not care at all about the religious aspect, although Islamists are a real threat to the Russian state in the near future.
>Why didn't Israel simply get their equivalent of Ramazan Kadyrov to run Palestine?
They kinda did tried that with Hamas and the PLO, in various ways.
Because Arab Islam was trendy at the time.
RIP the holdouts of slavic muslims.
If I had to guess I'd say:
1.Conflict and danger generally increase religiousness.
2.No more commies to forbid being religious.
3. They can differentiate as separate from average Ivan.
They were always into Islam, look up the Caucasian wars, their Jihad in the 19th century was so ferocious that it inspired the Dune books.