Will I go to hell if I commit suicide?
What passages in the bible talk about suicide?
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Will I go to hell if I commit suicide? What passages in the bible talk about suicide?
Nah.
>he who loses his life will gain it
yes, in islam it is said : Believers! Do not devour one another's possessions wrongfully; rather than that, let there be trading by mutual consent. You shall not have a nice day. Surely Allah is ever Compassionate to you. (Surah al‐Nisa, 4:29)
one shouldn't but must strive for gods mercy and hopefully all your current trials and suffering will fade away like a nice breeze.
Frick off abdool, stop trying to be relevant in every conversation, your passage has nothing to do with suicide but that's beside the point. In fact the Queeran is more on the "suggest people to commit suicide" side: 2:94 4:66 22:15 25:14 62:6
There is literally no way to justify suicide and no way to rationalize it that doesn't make you sound completely insane
What if a person just doesn't want to be alive anymore? What's wrong with that?
There is an innate will to survive and propagate genes hardwired into all living beings. You are lying if you do not have a will to survive, as many people who attempt suicide discover (see hesitation wounds). Suicide is therefore inherently irrational behavior. Life is justified by the fact that you are alive right now.
Suicide is not irrational if remaining alive is likely to bring high amounts of suffering rather than happiness and comfort. Consider a man who lost all of his limbs as well as the lower half of his torso. There is no possibility that his genes will ever propagate and his quality of life is sure to be extremely poor for the rest of his life. Suicide must be both rational and justified in cases like these.
Being unhappy or having a shit life does not make suicide rational, it just means you are an unhappy person with a shitty life making an irrational decision. What's irrational is determining that the response to a shitty life is to roll over and die before you are even dead.
Then why does suicide exist, moron? It could be evolution’s way of conserving resources for better genes, or indicating that something is wrong, motivating others to improve conditions so that suicide doesn’t happen again. Evolution is not the simplistic picture of individuals trying to survive at all costs, but the survival of genes. Read the Selfish Gene and also pic related
>or indicating that something is wrong, motivating others to improve conditions so that suicide doesn’t happen again
>evolution acts as a hivemind
LMAO
You people are bonkers.
My language is inaccurate. The point is that whatever causes suicide presumably benefits the species, otherwise it would have already been selected against. Perhaps it will over time. The point is that cold logic does not underline everything we do. It’s all biological programming, even your desire to worship god and attain immortality in the afterlife. You’re just trying to preserve your genes lol
You need to research evolution. Altruism and sacrificial behaviors don’t just exist in humans. If they were disadvantageous for the propagation of genes then the behavior would have died out. Read the selfish gene for frick’s sake
>death exists so killing yourself is a good thing that makes complete sense actually
Genetic propagation on a macro level demands propagation on an individual level which includes supporting genetic propagation of the individual even if one is unable to reproduce, and killing yourself because sad person with bad life does not support the genetic propagation of others or of oneself. Suicide is rarely used as a "motivational tool" (if it can even be called that) and would undoubtedly be the exception, and even so it is wholly useless even as that, the Arab Spring being a very good example of this. Again it is wholly irrational no matter which way you spin it.
>You have an inmate biological urge to do it so it's right.
>Life is justified by the fact that you are alive right now
Literally all of this changes the moment you have a nice day making suicide correct.
No, because suicide is a reaction to life's justification, which makes it a bad thing.
>There is an innate will to survive and propagate genes hardwired into all living beings.
So anyone whose celibate is insane? Jesus was insane?
Genetic propagation is not limited to sexual intercourse
Life also cannot be justified. All of it rests on irrational emotional preferences. Either you want to live or you don’t.
>Life also cannot be justified
Correct. If you're an atheist.
Even from an atheistic standpoint it is irrational, and life is still justified through dialectical and historical materialism. Suicide is literally an insane, irrational, nonsensical decision no matter how you choose to view it.
>and life is still justified through dialectical and historical materialism
Matter can't be justified, it simply is.
Matter justifies itself through physical propagation of the material, suicide is a reaction against this and is therefore irrational
>through physical propagation of the material
How the frick is that in any way a justification?
>I exist because I exist
Isn't a justification lmao.
How is it not a justification? The material exists; therefore it has justified its existence by continuing to exist.
Non-living material also exists. So why does it matter if you’re dead or alive?
I didn't say living or non-living material, I said material. Life is a state of certain organic material and killing oneself is a reaction against the justified existence of the material in the living state.
But killing oneself doesn’t eliminate matter, it just changes the arrangement of matter from something we call living to something we call non-living. All of it is “justified.”
>The material exists; therefore it has justified its existence by continuing to exist.
Circular logic.
No, that's not circular logic?
P1 Material exists
C1 Material is justified
would be circular
Which is not the claim you're addressing
I would consider
However, the Bible does not explicitly mention and forbid suicide as such. It's usually interpreted to be a violation of the Commandments, and this is why it has a sinful nature. I guess that for the faithful, no sin is unforgivable if one repents, so that would include suicide, although it's unclear.
Suicide exists. Is it therefore justified? But enough. This word “justified” is too vague. We want it to be “objective” but objectivity does not exist. You do not like suicide so you don’t think it’s justified. But other people are indifferent, or perhaps think it’s a good thing in some cases.
This guy has never met demons and wicked spirits.
You should be asking if God can help you not want to have a nice day anymore. Try bowing down to God daily and saying "blessed be Yahweh" preferable when you wake up and before you go to sleep. Also bless him during the day, just say the words. It will help. Think about how awesome God was when he was designing cats and created them and thank him for doing it. Do this with everything you love in life, all pleasures, all that brings you joy and happiness that was the work of his hands. If you are grateful for the things God already granted you, he will grant you better things, like peace.
>This guy has never met demons and wicked spirits.
My Black this is even more proof that suicide is a bad thing
Yes it is a bad thing but not irrational when you witness the torment of these evil frickers. So many people suffering around us and we are completely unaware of their struggle with these invisible beings that plague them. Even worse is they themselves are not aware of it.
My life is basically over
I have neglected myself and now my mind and body is so deteriorated that I don't know what to do. I have no education, I have no interests.
I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia and have a terrible, nonfunctional memory where I forgot the most basic of things.
I always wanted to have a wife and children, just someone to love but it won't happen since I am a complete incel who no girl likes.
Does it sound insane to you that I want to die?
Yes it sounds extremely insane that you’d have a nice day over very resolvable problems (minus schizophrenia)
It's actually the other way around, you only commit suicide if you're already in hell.
There is no magical dimension of magic lava.
there are like 4 or 5 bible passages where prophets want to die
God isn't real anyway fren
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/suicide-resource-compilation.3/
>don't want to live
>wants to live forever
don't do it, all major religions warns against suicide
don't test God
if you commit sudoku / you will create a black hole
You certainly won't go to heaven. You may want to have a nice day, but if you're christian then your body isn't yours to kill, and your life isn't yours to end. You owe it to Jesus to stick it out.
If killing other people is a sin what makes you think killing yourself isn’t?