The whole ''there were no apps'' argument was total bullshit.
Maybe it was true in 2010 when it launched,
but ive used it for years after that, and i had access to all the apps that i needed.
Windows Phone was basically killed because the ''there are no apps'' meme stuck around.
>Windows Phone was basically killed because the ''there are no apps'' meme stuck around.
It died because it was Windows 8 on a smartphone and most people hated that OS.
It's a shame since it was good for smartphones and tablets, but whatever, it's sadly dead.
This. They were so sure developers would just appear that initially they charged $99 for developers to submit apps just like Apple was doing and took a similar amount of the developer's earnings as a commission to what Apple took.They assumed if they created a platform, developers would appear to use it. When that didn't happen, they waived the fees and started offering small amounts of cash, something like $100, to publish apps in their store, which just ended up causing tons of complete crap apps to get published. Microsoft should have used its own developers to build a solid base of apps and paid the developers of popular apps on other platforms to create a Windows Phone version.
these questions are so lame, why did X company end Y? because lack of profitability. It doesn't matter if something has market fit if it isn't racking in Z dollars their forecasts require
Why are chuds so anal about wording? It's obvious you understood the question, but chose to be a c**t and focus on a superficial reading. Is this how you make yourself feel better about posting on IQfy at 40?
weakmind mentality. Tiktok literally bullied their way into market share by throwing money at the problem. Microsoft could have done the same in phones.
Tiktok only needs to worry about Tiktok. Microsoft and Windows Phone need to worry about Tiktok and Snapchat and Whatsapp and Fortnite and Facebook Messenger and Twitter and whatever else people install on their phones. They may have a lot of money but it's not limitless
I had some LG windows phone back in the day, it was a nice interface. this was before I became a soulless automaton glued to my phone all day. I was late to the smartphone party and would wonder what people actually did on their phones waiting at train stations etc, I had no idea.
It was terrible compared to Maemo and Meego, killed Nokia, and once Stephen Elop was out of the picture nobody else was willing to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
More recently there is no money for Microsoft from selling a Phone OS, there is no money for Microsoft in running a Phone app store, and honestly its questionable how much longer it will be worth it for Microsoft to even be in the end-user market at all.
No OEMs want to adopt a Microsoft Phone OS because of the rumored poison pill, and the way Microsoft treats OEMs selling Windows-compatible hardware.
They killed it because it wasnt profitable.
It wasn't profitable because it had no userbase.
It had no userbase because there were no apps.
Why weren't there any apps?
Two main reasons:
1. Google is a israelite and wouldnt allow google maps or youtube on it.
They explicitly filed multiple lawsuits against any app dev who tried to publish third party youtube client apps for WP.
2. Microsoft changed the developer SDK three times in 4 years. Each time was completely incompatible with the previous SDK so developers had to completely rewrite their app.
Windows phone 7.5, 8, and 10 all had different SDKs. This burnt any and all developer goodwill they had.
Microsoft sucks at making operating systems.
Windows is STILL riding off their dominance from the 90s. win32 API is basically ancient tech by now, and not even their own devs understand it anymore, which is why they reinvent the wheel in every update, and make everything worse.
Windows phone was pretty, but developing for it was dysfunctional. It was a pain in the ass, the apis for it changed with every update, and back then devs trusted Google, which meant they would develop for Android and there was little reason to keep a second completely different code base to develop for windows phone.
Devs are emotional people, if they dont like or trust your company, they wont use your shit. Simple as.
Locked phone, could not sideload. They could have nurtured the store, but choose to kill the store. Further they made 2 different incompatible stores. It was fricked up execution
the market was already lost and only windows evangelists/diehards were buying the phones. i think they also did something dodgy where they burnt early adopters by saying that they had to buy a new phone to get an os upgrade.
Google broke popular sites so they don't work on Windows Phone, only with an app, which they did not maintain and kept broken. I think Youtube was unusable for that reason.
no apps wasn't as big of a problem, the problem was that they fricked over app developers. first there was the WP7 -> WP8 gap, then they tried adding the ability to run Android apps via emulation. Just the rumour of the latter was enough to make all WP developers frick off permanently - why make native apps when you can just develop 1 codebase and have WP emulate it?
They also stopped making flagship models and moved WP to the $50 market, got no OEM contracts, killed Nokia, and had a HUGE fight between internal divisions circa the WP8 -> WP10 upgrade that ended up with all core members fired, replaced with pajeets, and Windows turned into Windows 10. WP was just another victim of that era.
>real answer
windows 8 killed the windows phone.
microsoft had some insane agenda with trying to force all apps to be released in the new windows store.
this made a lot of devs angry and all of big tech decided that no apps were going to be developed for windows phone.
thats why there were no social media apps on it, microsoft was forced to develop their own apps for twitter and facebook if i remember correctly. some rouge devs made their own apps for snapchat and such, just to be hammered when the companies noticed.
by the time microsoft reversed their store plans it was too late.
manufacturers didnt want to pay microsoft licensing fees, devs didnt want/forced to not make apps for it.
its really a shame cuz it would have been a great platform where microsoft would manage OS updates for all phone manufacturers.
> some rouge devs made their own apps for snapchat and such
This.
It was weird, at the end of Winphones, there was more non official apps, like 6Tin for Tinder, than official ones
I liked my Lumia, but that was mostly due to the hardware, design and feel in my hands, the OS it had was always the worst part and going from it to an Android with my Moto G3 was an upgrade for me in pretty much every way. Nokia did what they had to do, but Microsoft blew it, maybe the OS had some potential... maybe. It wasn't taken advantage of though, which is a shame for us all.
If we had more competition against both iOS and Android then maybe that'd push all of them to be a bit better, as it is, they're both comfortable due to their respective fanbases already established.
I don't mind Windows tablets really, they're the only place where Windows' direction with their Windows 8 felt justified, but the fact that they had to kill their desktop OS because they were sure tablets were the future, only to abandon it and try to rebuild 7 on top of 8 and giving us an odd mix that's not as good as 7 pissed me off. I wish they had went the Surface route back then.
>Windows Phone was so nice, why did Microshaft kill it?
Not enough sales, costly upkeep.
Should've made a core windows OS that would've worked on all devices and that would receive the same major updates, but that would've meant probably a whole new OS focused on debloating and we all know how MS likes to bloat it up.
Because it wasn't nice, that's why everyone using it jumped ship and only the mentally ill evangelists kept on shilling it and calling names to everyone who pointed ot the failures.
Literally all they had to do was support Android app market, maintain their own home screen app launcher, and support Windows integration like iPhones/Macs have. They've done all of these things since then to a degree. Unfortunately since then the Surface phone was a half measure gimmicky piece of foldable shit compared to the high end Lumias.
no apps
Windows Store has no apps yet Windows 10/11 exists
people use windows 10/11
The whole ''there were no apps'' argument was total bullshit.
Maybe it was true in 2010 when it launched,
but ive used it for years after that, and i had access to all the apps that i needed.
Windows Phone was basically killed because the ''there are no apps'' meme stuck around.
>Windows Phone was basically killed because the ''there are no apps'' meme stuck around.
It died because it was Windows 8 on a smartphone and most people hated that OS.
It's a shame since it was good for smartphones and tablets, but whatever, it's sadly dead.
This. They were so sure developers would just appear that initially they charged $99 for developers to submit apps just like Apple was doing and took a similar amount of the developer's earnings as a commission to what Apple took.They assumed if they created a platform, developers would appear to use it. When that didn't happen, they waived the fees and started offering small amounts of cash, something like $100, to publish apps in their store, which just ended up causing tons of complete crap apps to get published. Microsoft should have used its own developers to build a solid base of apps and paid the developers of popular apps on other platforms to create a Windows Phone version.
Android didn't debut with an explosion of apps, did it?
Was there anything else relevant but Symbian back in the day?
Java chink OS but don't think it was relevant.
these questions are so lame, why did X company end Y? because lack of profitability. It doesn't matter if something has market fit if it isn't racking in Z dollars their forecasts require
Why are chuds so anal about wording? It's obvious you understood the question, but chose to be a c**t and focus on a superficial reading. Is this how you make yourself feel better about posting on IQfy at 40?
>Why are chuds so anal about wording?
Why are you cursing in Hindi on an English speaking image board?
It takes one to know one, shitskin
frick you blody basterd
weakmind mentality. Tiktok literally bullied their way into market share by throwing money at the problem. Microsoft could have done the same in phones.
Tiktok only exists because Twitter committed sudoku with Vine
>Vine
have you used tiktok?
vine is algorithm is so so inferior
Tiktok only needs to worry about Tiktok. Microsoft and Windows Phone need to worry about Tiktok and Snapchat and Whatsapp and Fortnite and Facebook Messenger and Twitter and whatever else people install on their phones. They may have a lot of money but it's not limitless
I had some LG windows phone back in the day, it was a nice interface. this was before I became a soulless automaton glued to my phone all day. I was late to the smartphone party and would wonder what people actually did on their phones waiting at train stations etc, I had no idea.
It was terrible compared to Maemo and Meego, killed Nokia, and once Stephen Elop was out of the picture nobody else was willing to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
More recently there is no money for Microsoft from selling a Phone OS, there is no money for Microsoft in running a Phone app store, and honestly its questionable how much longer it will be worth it for Microsoft to even be in the end-user market at all.
No OEMs want to adopt a Microsoft Phone OS because of the rumored poison pill, and the way Microsoft treats OEMs selling Windows-compatible hardware.
Too good for us mere mortals
They killed it because it wasnt profitable.
It wasn't profitable because it had no userbase.
It had no userbase because there were no apps.
Why weren't there any apps?
Two main reasons:
1. Google is a israelite and wouldnt allow google maps or youtube on it.
They explicitly filed multiple lawsuits against any app dev who tried to publish third party youtube client apps for WP.
2. Microsoft changed the developer SDK three times in 4 years. Each time was completely incompatible with the previous SDK so developers had to completely rewrite their app.
Windows phone 7.5, 8, and 10 all had different SDKs. This burnt any and all developer goodwill they had.
No it wasn't nice. It was bloated and bugged af. Only people who couldn't afford blackberries though this pajeet shit was nice.
>It was bloated and buggy af
You very clearly never owned one.
>Windows Phone was so nice
My first phone was a Windows phone (Lumia 520) and it was the worst piece of shit I ever had.
You bought literally the cheapest phone available in the WP ecosystem and that's the bar you use to judge it? kek
>pic rel
was from a Verge article, quoting a Business Insider Article
Even the C-suite as MS knows they fricked up
big mistake for killing windows phone.
Microsoft sucks at making operating systems.
Windows is STILL riding off their dominance from the 90s. win32 API is basically ancient tech by now, and not even their own devs understand it anymore, which is why they reinvent the wheel in every update, and make everything worse.
Windows phone was pretty, but developing for it was dysfunctional. It was a pain in the ass, the apis for it changed with every update, and back then devs trusted Google, which meant they would develop for Android and there was little reason to keep a second completely different code base to develop for windows phone.
Devs are emotional people, if they dont like or trust your company, they wont use your shit. Simple as.
Locked phone, could not sideload. They could have nurtured the store, but choose to kill the store. Further they made 2 different incompatible stores. It was fricked up execution
the market was already lost and only windows evangelists/diehards were buying the phones. i think they also did something dodgy where they burnt early adopters by saying that they had to buy a new phone to get an os upgrade.
Google broke popular sites so they don't work on Windows Phone, only with an app, which they did not maintain and kept broken. I think Youtube was unusable for that reason.
no apps wasn't as big of a problem, the problem was that they fricked over app developers. first there was the WP7 -> WP8 gap, then they tried adding the ability to run Android apps via emulation. Just the rumour of the latter was enough to make all WP developers frick off permanently - why make native apps when you can just develop 1 codebase and have WP emulate it?
They also stopped making flagship models and moved WP to the $50 market, got no OEM contracts, killed Nokia, and had a HUGE fight between internal divisions circa the WP8 -> WP10 upgrade that ended up with all core members fired, replaced with pajeets, and Windows turned into Windows 10. WP was just another victim of that era.
I miss my HTC 8X and my Lumia 920
Nice design and cool interface
it was shit and you're the only person who misses it
>real answer
windows 8 killed the windows phone.
microsoft had some insane agenda with trying to force all apps to be released in the new windows store.
this made a lot of devs angry and all of big tech decided that no apps were going to be developed for windows phone.
thats why there were no social media apps on it, microsoft was forced to develop their own apps for twitter and facebook if i remember correctly. some rouge devs made their own apps for snapchat and such, just to be hammered when the companies noticed.
by the time microsoft reversed their store plans it was too late.
manufacturers didnt want to pay microsoft licensing fees, devs didnt want/forced to not make apps for it.
its really a shame cuz it would have been a great platform where microsoft would manage OS updates for all phone manufacturers.
> some rouge devs made their own apps for snapchat and such
This.
It was weird, at the end of Winphones, there was more non official apps, like 6Tin for Tinder, than official ones
most videos talking about windows phone dont mention the dev war against microsoft, its like lost knowledge at this point
>tfw i had a kin
homosexual ass dad
I really liked the tile UI.
>Windows Phone was so nice
No it wasn't.
t. owned a Windows Phone
I wonder if you can still use an Windows Phone in 2024, stuff like messaging apps etc
I liked my Lumia, but that was mostly due to the hardware, design and feel in my hands, the OS it had was always the worst part and going from it to an Android with my Moto G3 was an upgrade for me in pretty much every way. Nokia did what they had to do, but Microsoft blew it, maybe the OS had some potential... maybe. It wasn't taken advantage of though, which is a shame for us all.
If we had more competition against both iOS and Android then maybe that'd push all of them to be a bit better, as it is, they're both comfortable due to their respective fanbases already established.
The Windows tablets with an Intel CPU were quite comfy.
I don't mind Windows tablets really, they're the only place where Windows' direction with their Windows 8 felt justified, but the fact that they had to kill their desktop OS because they were sure tablets were the future, only to abandon it and try to rebuild 7 on top of 8 and giving us an odd mix that's not as good as 7 pissed me off. I wish they had went the Surface route back then.
opposite here
had an 830, it was so shit hardware wise but the OS was so good
>Windows Phone was so nice, why did Microshaft kill it?
Not enough sales, costly upkeep.
Should've made a core windows OS that would've worked on all devices and that would receive the same major updates, but that would've meant probably a whole new OS focused on debloating and we all know how MS likes to bloat it up.
Because mega corporations survive on luck and a shit ton of money.
I also had 520 and I liked it.
Because it wasn't nice, that's why everyone using it jumped ship and only the mentally ill evangelists kept on shilling it and calling names to everyone who pointed ot the failures.
Literally all they had to do was support Android app market, maintain their own home screen app launcher, and support Windows integration like iPhones/Macs have. They've done all of these things since then to a degree. Unfortunately since then the Surface phone was a half measure gimmicky piece of foldable shit compared to the high end Lumias.