On a psychological level, that is true for certain people.
On a metaphysical level, all things are permitted WITH God. "Objective morality" is a meaningless concept. Take two worlds, one in which murder is permitted, and one in which it is not. Can you think of any difference between the two worlds, besides simply restating the distinction?
If a statements truth or falsity affects nothing about anything, that is enough to render it meaningless.
Intuition. If an ethical system doesn't align at least vaguely with my intuition, then it's not ethical, it's something else entirely. This is because the adjective "good" has no logical (analytic) content other than the intuition. If God declared that murder was good, would you care? If so, why?
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And why on earth you would value your intuition to that degree you solipsistic Black person? And how would you pretend that others will adopt your intuitions? >If God declared that murder was good, would you care? If so, why?
I would care very much indeed because IT'S GOD. I really don't understand how atheist think God is a figment of one's imagination and can't go past that. He is literally the creator of everything, the supreme being, the prime mover.
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>And why on earth you would value your intuition to that degree you solipsistic Black person?
Because it signifies nothing beyond myself. I can trust my intuition exactly to verify the statement "I am seeing blue", because the statement is only a statement about my intuition. "This is good" is another such statement. What logical content does the ethical proposition have other than the emotion of approval and disapproval?
>And how would you pretend that others will adopt your intuitions?
I don't
>I would care very much indeed because IT'S GOD
Ok, but this is an act of moral weakness. You would abandon all your ethical convictions because a strongman threatened you.
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wow you're truly edgy!
1 month ago
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You're a moron.
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Anonymous
>Ok, but this is an act of moral weakness.
Men who follow god are weak. They don't need to think.
Are you a moral nihilist? I see no reason for objective morality to have some causal force. Seems clear that the "objective" part comes from its source not just being subjective human opinion, like what fruit tastes best.
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Not a moral nihilist, I merely believe that ethics is descriptive not prescriptive. Murder is wrong because sane humans generally agree that murder is wrong and does not fit with the kind of society we want.
>he believes there's something after death for him and thus wastes his life away
Impeccable. You slave. How you have wasted your time. You are god's sheep. That much is right in christianity.
>Without God, all things are permitted
The sentence that sends fedora tippers spinning in circles (and one of the fastest ways to send them into their inevitable "NO YOU" loop).
Did Nietzsche really like Cuckstoevsky? I mean him quoting Hassan Sabbah's "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" seems to be the anthesis of this TBK quote.
It is the christians fault that without god all things are permitted. It is because of that structure we find ourselves in this particular predicament. Frick you.
It's the same WITH God though. All things are permitted, but there will also be consequences. He won't stop you from eating the apple, but he will make you mortal for it. He won't stop you from rebelling or taking your own life, but he will cast you out of heaven.
He could trivially change your mind, in principle, but he doesn't. All things are permitted, it's just that some He likes and some He doesn't.
On a psychological level, that is true for certain people.
On a metaphysical level, all things are permitted WITH God. "Objective morality" is a meaningless concept. Take two worlds, one in which murder is permitted, and one in which it is not. Can you think of any difference between the two worlds, besides simply restating the distinction?
If a statements truth or falsity affects nothing about anything, that is enough to render it meaningless.
Well in the world with God the murderers get chucked into the lake of fire while the non-murderers get to live forever
Eternal torment is inherently unethical, even for sinners.
how do you derive ethics if you're not religious
you integrate instead
Intuition. If an ethical system doesn't align at least vaguely with my intuition, then it's not ethical, it's something else entirely. This is because the adjective "good" has no logical (analytic) content other than the intuition. If God declared that murder was good, would you care? If so, why?
And why on earth you would value your intuition to that degree you solipsistic Black person? And how would you pretend that others will adopt your intuitions?
>If God declared that murder was good, would you care? If so, why?
I would care very much indeed because IT'S GOD. I really don't understand how atheist think God is a figment of one's imagination and can't go past that. He is literally the creator of everything, the supreme being, the prime mover.
>And why on earth you would value your intuition to that degree you solipsistic Black person?
Because it signifies nothing beyond myself. I can trust my intuition exactly to verify the statement "I am seeing blue", because the statement is only a statement about my intuition. "This is good" is another such statement. What logical content does the ethical proposition have other than the emotion of approval and disapproval?
>And how would you pretend that others will adopt your intuitions?
I don't
>I would care very much indeed because IT'S GOD
Ok, but this is an act of moral weakness. You would abandon all your ethical convictions because a strongman threatened you.
wow you're truly edgy!
You're a moron.
homosexual
YWNBAW
>Ok, but this is an act of moral weakness.
Men who follow god are weak. They don't need to think.
By using the mind.
That's enough to make murder unwise, but not enough to make it immoral.
Are you a moral nihilist? I see no reason for objective morality to have some causal force. Seems clear that the "objective" part comes from its source not just being subjective human opinion, like what fruit tastes best.
Not a moral nihilist, I merely believe that ethics is descriptive not prescriptive. Murder is wrong because sane humans generally agree that murder is wrong and does not fit with the kind of society we want.
>he believes there's something after death for him and thus wastes his life away
Impeccable. You slave. How you have wasted your time. You are god's sheep. That much is right in christianity.
Just because you can doesn't mean that you should
>Without God, all things are permitted
The sentence that sends fedora tippers spinning in circles (and one of the fastest ways to send them into their inevitable "NO YOU" loop).
It's one of the neckbeards favorite arguments because they can pull out the "if a book is the only thing keeping you from killing someone, bla bla".
Did Nietzsche really like Cuckstoevsky? I mean him quoting Hassan Sabbah's "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" seems to be the anthesis of this TBK quote.
Liking some of the works an author made does not mean you agree with everything he said...
Shhhhh I can picture the woke mob making it their motto
Do you really think that this society of psychopaths would get the original meaning
It is the christians fault that without god all things are permitted. It is because of that structure we find ourselves in this particular predicament. Frick you.
It's the same WITH God though. All things are permitted, but there will also be consequences. He won't stop you from eating the apple, but he will make you mortal for it. He won't stop you from rebelling or taking your own life, but he will cast you out of heaven.
He could trivially change your mind, in principle, but he doesn't. All things are permitted, it's just that some He likes and some He doesn't.