Would anyone bother to be moral without fear of punishment?

Would anyone bother to be moral without fear of punishment?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suicide is a good example of this. So many religions prohibit suicide and threaten hell if you do it, but how many people would continue living if they knew for certain they wouldn't be punished for suicide?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes

      >mom would be sad

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A better question would be, would anyone bother to be moral without fear of consequences. If it were impossible to do harm by any action, would anyone be moral? Would there be such a thing as morality?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a better question. The answer is easy, it's no

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah, but, it is only no if there is no such thing as objective morality.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would anyone follow this "objective morality" if there were no consequences for anything? Why would anyone even stop to think about whether it exists or not?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you could do anything you wanted, you'll get tired. The next step is to shape the world according to your desires. If you set the values, you can also enforce these values on everyone else.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No idea, but its a tree falls in the forest situation, could you still have moral and immoral actions even if nobody knew or cared?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Proto-Morality emerged when prehistoric humans killed the bully ape. It developed by killing/punishing thieves and rapists. This developed into marriage and private property (capitalism), the pillars of any functioning society.

    >Would anyone bother to be moral without fear of punishment?

    In the current day and age actually yes, most people would bother, but only because of their evolutionary past. Over a few generations no one would bother and humanity would effectively become extinct.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >killing/punishing thieves and rapists. This developed into marriage and private property (capitalism)
      You have it backwards. Private property existed first, theft and rape are property crime.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Basado
        Can you give me any good hint on literature or videos to consoom?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with the rape and theft, nta, but what is private property?
        Do animals have private property? They have personal space and some animals claim territory, like lions or bears, wolves, bird nests and so on.
        Would that be considered private property?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be moral
    be what?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes, im motivated by compassion and empathy and a sense of justice, i believe in society and i have love and admiration for people

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what a psychopath would say

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also fairness, I feel bad when things are unfair

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Compassion, empathy and a sense of justice are ultimately just your brain rewarding or punishing itself for doing what it feels is moral or not.

      It is still punishment, just one that is hard-wired into our brains through thousands of years of natural selection.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dopamine receptors are motivating too

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has this thread been made before? I'm having serious deja vu guys. Please help me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re talking with bots

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. Take your meds

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No clue,
      Im not moronic enough to be 24/7 on this site

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Me neither, I just feel like I've seen this before.

        No. Take your meds

        Watch for Al-Aqsa

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would you be moral without hell or heaven? If the soul perished upon death? God, leaving man kind with total free will, without a carrot or stick simpky requesting we choose good?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The righteous are few and we need many to build a world. The compromise is to built this safety net to ensure those that would unscrupulously backstab others once they're given the opportunity remain in line.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the right thing to do.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can only be moral without fear of punishment. Otherwise it's just convenient.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *Looks at the current state of the world*
    .....Perhaps. If the reward was not living in an absolute shit state of affairs. Some people actually want to though (that's the fricked up bit)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "But.... it's not that bad, is it?"
      Y'know, over-looking extinctions and mass-genocide. Yeah, it's not so bad. Fancy another cake?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The virtuous life is the fulfilled life. The moral is the practical. Morality is in your own self-interest

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "But wherever I found living things, there heard I also the language of obedience. All living things are obeying things.
    And this heard I secondly: Whatever cannot obey itself, is commanded. Such is the nature of living things.
    This, however, is the third thing which I heard—namely, that commanding is more difficult than obeying. And not only because the commander beareth the burden of all obeyers, and because this burden readily crusheth him:—
    An attempt and a risk seemed all commanding unto me; and whenever it commandeth, the living thing risketh itself thereby.
    Yea, even when it commandeth itself, then also must it atone for its commanding. Of its own law must it become the judge and avenger and victim.
    How doth this happen! so did I ask myself. What persuadeth the living thing to obey, and command, and even be obedient in commanding?"

    "Hearken now unto my word, ye wisest ones! Test it seriously, whether I have crept into the heart of life itself, and into the roots of its heart!
    Wherever I found a living thing, there found I Will to Power; and even in the will of the servant found I the will to be master.
    That to the stronger the weaker shall serve—thereto persuadeth he his will who would be master over a still weaker one. That delight alone he is unwilling to forego.
    And as the lesser surrendereth himself to the greater that he may have delight and power over the least of all, so doth even the greatest surrender himself, and staketh— life, for the sake of power.
    It is the surrender of the greatest to run risk and danger, and play dice for death.
    And where there is sacrifice and service and love-glances, there also is the will to be master. By by-ways doth the weaker then slink into the fortress, and into the heart of the mightier one—and there stealeth power."

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