Would you be a Catholic Occultist?

Catholic occultism is using Catholic magic and Catholic grimoires and tarot. Baptism and confirmation are initiations into the club and the Mass has secrets that those outside the church don't get to know.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No thanks I'm a Christian.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Once you have comprehended yourself as the risen Christ desired and become guided by the Holy Spirit as a child of God there is no greater power than the Father to whom you are agent and accountable.

      >Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

      >Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >my argument is attempting to contradict the Bible
        begone satan

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Once you have comprehended yourself as the risen Christ desired and become guided by the Holy Spirit as a child of God there is no greater power than the Father to whom you are agent and accountable.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You aren't the Christ but you can use the power of Christ to do mass to invoke a storm or make the town win a battle or make the town get industry. Invoke the powers of the spells to bless or curse objects or do exorcisms. The blessed object brings you luck.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Missa sicca (Latin for 'dry Mass') was a form of Catholic devotion used in the medieval Catholic Church when a full Mass could not be said, such as for funerals or marriages in the afternoon after a priest had already said Mass earlier that morning. It consisted of all components of the Mass except the Offertory, Consecration and Communion.(Durandus, "Rationale", IV, i, 23)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ????

        >The Missa sicca (Latin for 'dry Mass') was a form of Catholic devotion used in the medieval Catholic Church when a full Mass could not be said, such as for funerals or marriages in the afternoon after a priest had already said Mass earlier that morning. It consisted of all components of the Mass except the Offertory, Consecration and Communion.(Durandus, "Rationale", IV, i, 23)

        >The Missa sicca (Latin for 'dry Mass') was a form of Catholic devotion used in the medieval Catholic Church when a full Mass could not be said, such as for funerals or marriages in the afternoon after a priest had already said Mass earlier that morning. It consisted of all components of the Mass except the Offertory, Consecration and Communion.(Durandus, "Rationale", IV, i, 23)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What powers can magic books give me that God cannot? This makes no sense.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. CHRIST is entombed within everyone and RISES within everyone, individually.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This.
        Since you have correctly perceived that in me the truth of the thing was understood clearly then consider also the criticisms I lay before the world here

        [...]

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brother Ada reader?
    isnt catholic magic just doing good deeds, avoiding all sin, sacraments + charity+ studying saint's writings and the Bible commentaries?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, it's special blessings and spells and grimoires.

      also OP: do you thinks its even possible to wear ALL scapulars + ALL sacred medals at the same time? the Catholic church has like 20 scapulars and maybe 20, 40 medals? I think the Medals could all be put on the same single chain-string, but what about all the 20+ scapulars?

      it's possible but there are probably medals and scapulars we don't know about

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This just makes me want to become a devotion-medal hunter, or Marian Sites investigator...I wouldnt advertise it, not even a blog and itd be for my own spiritual progress, tho.
        I wish I can do ,someday, camino de santiago all the way to Rome and also meet the Penitentes of Mexico Valley.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    also OP: do you thinks its even possible to wear ALL scapulars + ALL sacred medals at the same time? the Catholic church has like 20 scapulars and maybe 20, 40 medals? I think the Medals could all be put on the same single chain-string, but what about all the 20+ scapulars?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP please answer my questions.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you are not a semite, how can you possibly justify practicing a semitic religion?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity is not an abrahamic religion, but has been perverted into such by many people. Reading through the remnants of Heroclitus makes it clear that it is just a roundabout introduction to the ethical conclusions of spiritual practice (ie a more sane Logis; Heroclitean Logos on its own is a bit weird).

      Brother Ada reader?
      isnt catholic magic just doing good deeds, avoiding all sin, sacraments + charity+ studying saint's writings and the Bible commentaries?

      Ignore OP, the Catholic form of spiritualism is called Sacred Heart, but other things similar were common between 500-900AD. Interestingly, the end of the first person of Western Christian spiritualism is coincident with the ravaging of Ireland by the first waves of the Vikings (for about a century before the Irish learned to defend themselves). This was the total end of literature emitted by Ireland (for a while anyway) and the end of the first revival of philosophical thought in the medieval period.

      The Eastern churches have a spiritual practice that is more in line with the rest of Eurasia, so it includes for example "navel gazing" which is the Asian equivalent of Daoist "Guarding the One."

      Magic and Perennialism are false, however there used to be a pan-Eurasian tradition before the Aryan invasions. Assyria, Phoenicia, Egypt and a few small places survived the Bronze Age Collapse and so preserved their spiritual sensibilities, which migrate westward through people St Cassian (granddaddy iof western monasticism), St Francis (Franciscan monastics in Italy), St Patrick (intellectualism in remnant Celtic world), etc. St Francis in particular has a somewhat comedic practice that resemble Wim Hof's physical training.

      None of these ever developed anything as sophisticated as "yoga" however, owing to incessant invasions and massacres.

      Further, let us pretend magic was real. Why would you draw tarots and sketch magic circles when you could do the six yogas of naropa first? The answer is that it is very hard. How many people properly enter yoga? There are fewer intermediate yoga practitioners than there are skilled mathematicians!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        * by eastern church i meant orthodox eastern europeans
        * further it is worth pointing out jesus spent time in either egypt or india depending on who is asked, and in either case at least in egypt he would have encountered literal buddhist monasteries "just down the block" whose monks and nuns would have happily taught him some things - you can't say the same of Europe afterward! one can't help but wonder why europeans never took to yoga, especially when the physical exercises are very comfortable and health-inducing!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ahimsa and Brahmacharya are the most basic basics for (real buddhist) Yoga, right?
        And also omnipresent Boddhicitta + correct view of Emptiness seem super important.
        It seems there is a "secret hack" method ,Phowa, for transferring Qualia at death....however that may conflicts with all the teachings on the Bardo!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know about normal Buddhist practices, and if seems whatever I do leans more into indigenous things from SE-Asia, but the principles are the same, except for one detail. First, Yoga should be perceived as literal physical exercise - it eventually becomes contemplative quiescence, but it starts with push-up and callisthenics, eeight-lifting and breathing, stretches and cardio. St Francis had his monks swim in icy-cold rivers. Spanish monks adopted martial habits from Islamic monks. I'm ignorant of Ahimsa and Brahmacharya, but Boddhicitta etc. here becomes the notion of living naturally. For example, most youth are absent-mindrd, so in sparing their teacher outwits them - they learn why through experimentation and conclude that "a brief mental disturbance" caused them to make a mistake. A student punches weakly; but they intuit mechanics by eventually comparing pushup form to punching form. These are disorganized lessons.

          Eventually, the student masters form, and that becomes muscle memory, and it becomes literally impossible thereafter to have bad form. So the student winners - why?! But the answer is too complicated, so the student - meditates! This begins yoga proper.

          At length the student teaches and observed violence is semi-uncontrollanle, and asks why. The martial artist Kosta Danaos has a research paper in psychology on five divisions of instinctual violence... the reasoning is complicated and is, for the layman, better approached via the "cognitive science of comparative religions" and metaphysical details of supervenience - at length this becomes like religious philosophy (aka Vedanta), but Yoga's goal is to help you intuit it.

          Ultimately, the teacher empathizes with his student to outwit the individual barriers to learning. How to guide others to morality (martial discipline)? This reveals different sides to empathy, ultimately realized as literal brain centers commonly called tissues relating to "logical xor affective empathy".

          (1/2)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            *individual barries should be instinctual barriers

            (2/2)

            Seemingly this has nothing to do with Buddhism. The point is that religious philosophy (vedanta) is not effective at learning ethics but can help characterize the experimental results of mind-body practice (yoga). A modern author, vivekanandra (see his complete works on library Genesis, they are very approachable) summarizes this, albeit strangely (his teacher was literally insane but the resulting students were somehow perfectly competent). The physical practice helps you identify "virtual organs" that are different than "physical organs".

            Thus commences intermediate yogic practice, where "sins are burned away." What this really means is that complexes like the psycho-neural-immunological system (cf Kevin Tracey) or details of absorptive contemplation (cf P. Dennison, he has a popular science book published by Shambhala since the technical publications are complicated) mutually interact to create virtual mental components that the mind(-body) spontaneously re-arranges into the ingredients of sin. And then what happens? You know that the sin is directly confronted only in early yogic practice. That is merely a trick to help the practitioner think analytically about himself, reach for mind-body monkey wrenches and fasteners, and engineer a new mind-body. Mechanical assembly such as lust, vice etc. necessarily go away because you voluntarily cannibalize their parts! Perhaps this is your view of emptiness

            In China, this becomes creates the problem of listlessness, which the greeks called acêdia, which sounds a lot like asceticism! It is not lethargy and is the problem of nature's illusory... nature... clashing with your new truth. The solution is emotional re-engineering, which the Chinese call Void... which was unfortunately also used to translate the different concept of emptiness.

            cf Gregory's translation of inquiry into origin of humanity, not directly related but might help you with research

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Magic and Perennialism are false, however there used to be a pan-Eurasian tradition before the Aryan invasions. Assyria, Phoenicia, Egypt and a few small places survived the Bronze Age Collapse and so preserved their spiritual sensibilities, which migrate westward through people St Cassian (granddaddy iof western monasticism), St Francis (Franciscan monastics in Italy), St Patrick (intellectualism in remnant Celtic world), etc. St Francis in particular has a somewhat comedic practice that resemble Wim Hof's physical training.

        This material are in books from hundreds of years ago and priests used these things during their Masses and initiation ceremonies. History neglects to teach on it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't want to mention that but indeed you can also see that many of the older folks in your memories of going to mass might have had unusual habits relating to mass, and the thoughts running (or not running) through their minds were probably spontaneous re-inventions of precisely what you are talking about. Now, the epistemological is more important than the ontological; although priests no longer do anything other than superficially mindlessly repeat ceremony, they accidentally create an atmosphere conducive to spontaneous discovery of spiritual truth in the laity - of course I hope in the future this will evolve into a reinvugorated Christian spiritualism. Similarly, India has Navayana, which is Buddhism hijacked for literal Marxist propaganda whose founder hosted a literal press-conference for it. Its adherents, in the real world, are trapped in multi-dimensional poverty, and like the Catholic Church since Vatican II it misses the point that services are meant to induce transrational connection with the Holy Spirit. However, one can easily imagine Navayana's laity eventually evolving into spiritualism now that they are free rrom the thrall of Hinduism. (Of course, not all Hindus are the same, and not all oppress their lower classes - but most do, and these wretches flock to Buddhism sometimes for salvation).

          For others, you can actually get a lot of good information from the new GPT4-level AIs, though be careful of hallucinations. Try Cohere's Command R Plus (my favorite), but Claude Opus is also satisfactory, and Reka's new language model is willing to comment on NSFW stuff (like St Francis had his monks swim in cold water to suppress horniness lolz, and in the Spanish inquisition sometimes women asked to be put in s literal horny jail for a couple of years because they... started to see jesus a little too differently lol). The LLM's are useful to generate lists of Church philosophers, poets and laity for further research.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What’s the theology that posits Jesus as a bridge to the divine?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There are fewer intermediate yoga practitioners than there are skilled mathematicians!
        Maybe because mathematics are a useful and rewarding discipline while yoga is worthless (knowledge of proper yoga form is unnecessary to fleece western thots)

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it clearly says in scripture to avoid these practices, mysticism and such.

    there is no such thing as /x/ white magickery, its all satanic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ahem

      [...]
      >Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

      >Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any pro-magick christians ITT still? I need to ask some questions!!

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Praise Azathoth! Great are the Old Ones!

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a joke: a bunch of morons start worshipping Sakla, the Demiurge, and they be like "gods gonna gimme!" and he ruins their countries and economy.

    At this point in time I would have realized whats wrong, but you somehow don't.

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