not much left now
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
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XFCE almost wayland ready
not much left now
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
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wayland wont fix the ugliness
>wayland wont fix the ugliness
(You) can fix the (subjective) ugliness
xfce desktops smell like dirty air vents
>t. GBlack person
With Xorg I can disable the compositor and my laptop runs much cooler with no screen tearing, can I do that in wayland? if not then I'm never ever making the switch
you wont be able to disable "the compositor"
since wayland doesnt have "window managers"; only compositors
but the wayland version of xfwm4 is going to be based on wlroots
and if i remember correctly with wlroots you can now disable vsync
which is the wayland equivalent of "disabling the compositor" so to speak
How old is your laptop? Without compositing, the WM has to constantly redraw everything and would draw even more power
>Without compositing, the WM has to constantly redraw everything and would draw even more power
In principle, yes you're correct.
In practice, all compositors have such shit software rendering that they consume more power than simply redrawing.
In MATE, without compositor is 3W, with compositor is 9W [1]. This has been pretty much the case since the invention of the compositor [2].
[1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321102/does-marcos-compositor-affect-battery-life-and-or-performance
[2] https://raphlinus.github.io/ui/graphics/2020/09/13/compositor-is-evil.html
>software rendering
Black person you deserve to get thrown under the bus, buy a new pc already, this isn't wayland's fault.
It's also bad for hardware rendering.
In that askubuntu link, they were using GLX, so it would most likely be hardware rendering unless they are having to emulate it or something. And compositing is still using 3 times the power.
I'm also not convinced that GPU rendering is in general cheaper power-wise. GPUs use a lot of power and CPU rendering could be more power efficient.
>wayland almost xfce-ready
Wasn't Wayland started a decade and a half and change ago? What have the Wayland developers doing since that it is "almost" ready? X took only one year to replace W in 1984
the only thing I care about is sticking to nimble XUE (even doe Wayland is nice-to-have thing)
>almost wayland ready
Great, can't wait for Wayland to be barely supported in 5 more years and another 3 more for a full stable release.
MATE and Cinnamon both already have Wayland session. Xfce development is pretty much dead.
>Xfce development is pretty much dead
It's still acti-
>last release in 2022
XFCEbros...
doesn't it do a two year release cycle
>MATE and Cinnamon
Why don't XFCE devs just join them?
It's not.
Why would the devs of the best DE join the two worst DEs?
>Why would the devs of the best DE join the two worst DEs?
No one said anything about Trinity devs joining Gnome and Pantheon
so what's wrong with X11 again?
>so what's wrong with X11 again?
nothing currently (outside of "muh security" concerns)
eventually it will die
so they will rename Wfce ?
The X is from XForms, not X11.
It's like the world want me to switch some niche WM that isn't infected by Wayland pozware.
Same, I'll be dropping XFCE when they implement wayland.
Openbox is the way
There's nothing between you and BSPWM or HerbstlufWM
will it still be broke if i go XFCE wayland with nvidia? does the DE matter or is it just nvdia and wayland just never gonna shake hands
>wayland with nvidia
no, it won't work properly. yes, this is by design. anybody who is migrating their software off of x is hostile towards people who own nvidia products. they think they're going to "punish" you and nvidia
yeah its stupid. i wonder what the reason is that nvidia hasn't fixed the issues? have they came out publicly and made a statement on it or could just be too cost prohibitive for them, just aint worth the squeeze scenario.
dunno. what i do know is that i bought an amd cpu because amd's cpu was better and i bought an nvidia gpu because nvidia's gpu was better and now we have hundreds of hostile troony devs who can't imagine why i would do this other than the fact that I am an anti-FOSS proprietard chud that donates half of my welder paycheck to the Koch brothers and stormfront
Because shit like Nvidia happens constantly and they want to use the limited power they have to swing things in a way that minimizes the amount of companies making everything moronic. Realistically they have no way to affect Adobe, Autodesk or Wangblows who keep their baby duck software away from Loonix.
Nvidia wants to keep its market segmentation strategies in play. That means taking the same chip and minimally retooling it or offering different software in order to reduce supply for each market segment and get maximum returns. Fixing the issues means that FOSStards dismantle that whole system and suddenly they have to deal with most of their high-end lineup being obsoleted by someone soldering in higher capacity RAM or running open source vGPU.
The Nvidia + Wayland situation is basically solved now that Linux has moved to explicit sync.
However, the Xfce + Wayland situation is not yet solved, and probably won't be for a while.
But is Wayland XFCE ready?
If XFCE goes Wayland I'm switching DEs.
Which isn't much of a barrier, my usage of XFCE is pretty limited to the panel and the xfdesktop which I could substitute out for another wm in a pinch at this point.
I will be the last person on Xorg.
it won't go full wayland, you'll still be able to use the X11 session. I really don't see them dropping xorg anytime soon, you'll just have another option to use wayland if you're a massive Black personhomosexual and want something that doesn't work
they arent dropping X support
just also supporting wayland
probably will be released by the end of this year
>will it still be broke if i go XFCE wayland with nvidia?
since they've decided to go with wlroots over libmutter for implementation
yes
gnome (uses libmutter) and kde (uses their own shit)
they both work "okay" with nvidia
but xfce-wayland will be like using sway on nvidia (bad idea; ive tried it out of boredom)
>https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
does this mean proper fractional scaling?
>https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
>but we hope it will be minimally usable.
KYS
I only ever use xfce and I have no interest in wayland. I don't want it. Frankly its lack of wayland is one of the contributing factors in why it is superior to alternatives atm.
Yeah but will it support fractional scaling and VRR?
Honestly I'd be done with wayland if I wasn't using multiple monitors