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Fork KDE and maintain the X11 session yourself. That's the beauty of open sores is it not?
That's exactly what's going to happen with Plasma 5 since 6 is such a clusterfrick.
They finally got to a point where it was a very fully featured DE that was customizable and stable, and they decided to piss it all away.
I wonder if it's intentional....
I wonder if Red Yarmulke is involved....
>They finally got to a point where it was a very fully featured DE that was customizable and stable, and they decided to piss it all away.
Welcome to KDE newfren. Enjoy your stay.
>KrashDE, the shitty DE that always crashed... still crashes??! Whoa! Must be the fault of <insert schizo theory>
There's a reason why GNOME won, and why every major distro is using it.
see kde3, kde4, gnome2, etc
Yes please, hard fork the last version of plasma 5 and add it to AUR, you don't even need to code anything since it was perfect as is. Low effort maintenance only for package compatibility with future arch updates.
Wait for Kubuntu 24.04
It's not "yes please", you do it. Go fork it.
yes please
KDE6 fully supports X11 no forking needed
KDE7 released in 2030s may not support X11
KDE6 will remove X11 support before 2025
Source: thedailymoron.com
in 2024? kek
this year they will be busy just fixing bugs
Fingers crossed, although I suspect all the people b***hing will force them to keep it around a bit longer.
>2025
Not happening. Wayland has been on a "2 more years" mode for the last 16 years. It can't happen until they get hard holdouts like color profiles (Davinci Resolve), full explicit sync support (nvidia). Nevermind Xorg can never actually go away because legacy.
There is no KDE6 or 7, KDE is a company, plasma is the desktop.
Also using X11 with Plasma 6 and it's still a crashing piece of shit full of issues.
>There is no KDE6 or 7
there is "KDE Plasma 6" most of non-morons just omit plasma for convenience since it's redundant
>There is no KDE6 or 7, KDE is a company, plasma is the desktop.
90 IQ reply.
already did: trinitydesktop.org
fully functional desktop without modern bloat or some neckbeard telling me I don't need that feature I use
SOVL
Looks like an unholy mix of XP and Vista bleh
99% of posters on IQfy don't have the skills or knowledge to do something like that.
I just updated from plasma 6.0.1 to 6.0.2 and immediately got a sorry your desktop crashed message on logging in again after restarting.
Why do you do this to me plasma? You used to be a perfect working environment, now you are just an unstable crashing piece of shit.
Same here anon it's fricking broken.
If you're on arch I have an ok method to go back for now at least
>plebbit
I know but I made it so I can reference back to it easily.
Also fun to see those degenerates deepthroating corpo wiener in my comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1bd274q/how_to_dirty_downgrade_from_plasma_6_back_to/
They're right and you're wrong. FOSS devs are not your personal slaves. If you don't want plasma 6 then don't use a rolling release distro, or otherwise hold your updates back.
>If you don't want plasma 6 then don't use a rolling release distro, or otherwise hold your updates back.
That's exactly what I'm doing.
Plasma 5 should not upgrade to plasma 6 if compatibility was not a priority. If I wanted plasma 6 I should have to manually install that.
Rolling release doesn't mean you can auto-replace matured software with fricking alpha state ones.
Arch has a testing repo for a reason, leave that garbage there until it's usable.
Literally what I did with i3status since I couldn't be arsed to update my config files to the new scheme. What are all these homosexuals crying about? My man just dont update if you don't want to, otherwise dont use bleeding edge at all then
My man if a dev says the next version is out then is out on the repos, regardless if the last version is better or not, thats what rolling release mean. The responsibility of not breaking things with updates is on you, if you don't want it use something else, like Debian.
Now if they were actually forcing you to update like windows, and I couldn't hold back my plasma packages, that would be different.
Gentoo isn't stupid enough to move it out of testing yet. Why is arch doing it? Rolling release doesn't mean release shit that doesn't work to 'stable'.
Large, incompatible DE version updates should be treated as separate packages much like how qt5 is separate from qt6.
I think it's not unfair to say that you could want a rolling release for everything, but to want a useable the interface to interact with the computer, of course with the choice to use the newest release.
Or more importantly, some kind of way for pacman to warn you for certain updates so you can prepare for it.
The plebbitors are right. It's a rolling release distribution. It's supposed to be bleeding edge.
If there's something wrong with the package itself then it's the distro's fault. But if the package is fine and the software just sucks, that's the developer's fault. Blame the KDE people for releasing alpha-quality software.
>Blame the KDE people for releasing alpha-quality software.
I am. arch jannies also should not have moved it out of testing
check out the forums right now they're fricking flooded with kde 6 upgrade issues.
>arch jannies also should not have moved it out of testing
Plasma 6 works just as well on Arch as it does on any other distribution. The Arch maintainers did their job, it's the KDE developers who didn't do theirs.
If it's still beta-tier software, keep it in testing or don't have plasma5 upgrade to it
it's not fricking difficult to understand you wienersucker.
>If it's still beta-tier software
That's not Arch's job to decide. If you wanted a distro that does make those kinds of decisions you shouldn't have picked a rolling release.
Arch does not always immediately update the kernel either, morons
Yeah but that still is out of their responsibilities, the maintainers doing so is the exception, not the norm.
>you shouldn't have picked a rolling release
he shouldn't have picked arch, no such problems on gentoo
Arch have updated Clang to version 17 the day Clang 18 was released.
what's closest to arch without rolling release?
homie being a release distro means is for testing software altogether, the "testing repo" is for testing that the package manager itself behaves correctly with download and installing, not to test the software itself. Change to debian Black person
KDE6 update not provided
>noooo where is my KDE6?? what's taking so long, it has been already 15 hours since official release!!! I must updooooot NOW!
KDE6 update provided
>wtf, why it's crashing? you shouldn't had released that crap!!
make up your mind, do you want to use rolling release or not? if you want stability stick to Debian or Ubuntu LTS
I didn't say don't provide it, I said keep it in the testing repos.
Are you fricking moronic or just illiterate?
>If you wanted a distro that does make those kinds of decisions you shouldn't have picked a rolling release.
Rolling release doesn't mean beta-testing
There are testing repos for a reason
Arch officially supports the LTS kernel for a reason
that's why they rushed it, to hurry up beta testing it
>There are testing repos for a reason
The purpose of the testing repos is to test the packages, not the quality of the software itself.
Seriously, just go install Debian or Fedora or something. You signed up for this when you installed Arch.
>Arch officially supports the LTS kernel for a reason
KDE 5 is not an LTS branch of KDE 6.
>Rolling release doesn't mean beta-testing
Stop crying homosexual and start beta testing the package for free.
t. LTS Chad
it's more than being rolling, Arch is literally built for Arch devs first, others are an afterthought. If you don't like it, don't fricking use it. I don't understand why people are so fricking clueless.
>how DARE you express some desire for devs promoting some stability you toxic incel chud
When did the freetardism became so numale
>Arch babbies still don't know what or who Arch is for
I kek every single time.
>I must updoot
Don't
>but I must and I dont like the update
lol what a gay
What debian gays are doing on Arch subreddit (apart from being always wrong about everything of course)?
Thank you for beta testing for us Kubuntu/Debian plebs.
Not even joking. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
Just ignore the package update. But yes redditors are fricking homosexuals, Arch's philosophy is "do what thou wilt".
>You shouldn't be taking the latest updates if you want working software
>You are an idiot for using something we are in charge of
Year of the linux desktop
reddit is a website for midwits. also, frick wayland and frick linux
That's it, I'm going back to Debian Stable with xfce.
>I see a whole lot of people who don't love a rolling release model nearly as much as they think they do. 🙂
The rolling release model works great for KDE when it's receiving minor updates and patches. Unfortunately, in much the same way the Windows cycle is alternating between good releases and shit releases, the KDE cycle is releasing a completely dogshit, broken desktop, spending years carefully polishing it and fixing bugs until they've made it a fantastic, stable desktop, then cratering it into the ground with the next major release and starting the process all over again.
That whole thread is why I use debian. Why yes, I'm going to use outdated software and no I'm not going to update it for the next 5 years, yes it still works like brand new and no I don't give a frick what you and your golems have to say about it.
That Ok-Guitar4818 guy is spot on. Man Arch users are fricking dorks.
dont care works on my machine
thats the beauty of linux, when something happens that you dont like instead of seething you can just fork it and make your own
Just dont use a trash tier distro
Im on opensuse tw, updated to plasma 6 yesterday, got 0 crashes
why are you so moronic? it's "KDE Plasma 6"
>Tuesday, 12 March 2024. Today KDE releases a bugfix update to KDE Plasma 6, versioned 6.0.2.
https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.0.2/
It's called GNU/Linux KDE Plasma 6.0.2, morons.
KDE runs also on BSD
I like to call it KDE+Plasma personally
Frick every troonygrammer forcing me to move from the old trusty X11 to this unstable shitstain that's been in development for over a decade already. You're the reason Linux will never be popular.
It's either corpos' pajeet trannies' shitware or autistic pajeet trannies' shitware
Choose wisely, white man (banding up together for good projects is out of fashion for the whitey btw)
I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Plasma,
is in fact, KDE/Plasma, or as I've recently taken to calling it, KDE plus Plasma.
Plasma is not a desktop environment unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning KDE system made useful by the KDE frameworks, plasmoid utilities and vital graphical applications comprising a full desktop environment as defined by the KDE HIG.
actually pretty good
Works on my machine
P.s. I hate Black folk. FRICK Black folk
>Black folk out of nowhere
Why are KDE users like this?
Is wayland is deliberate sabotage?
yes
Are there portable Wayland programs yet to
>do what xrandr did
>do what xdotool did
>add global key bindings
Things like taking screenshots are not portable yet, but there are enough tools which implement all the required protocols.
sorry you need to have unstable extension for that since it's a "dangerous" feature
therefore you will have 5 different extensions and 10 different tools that support subsets of those extensions
these tools will also be dependent on the DE you're using
this is Wayland way!
literally no
i found a clone of xrandr when i was trying to replace my trusty dwm
https://sr.ht/~emersion/wlr-randr/
50 years of xorg and this failure is what we get to replace it?
Absolute moron here, how can I keep my EndeavourOS computer on KDE5 while still updating the other components? Is there a way to select which updates get applied when i sudo pacman -syu?
You can give up and install Debian.
>t. moron who thinks just because it's a rolling distro it's acceptable for the package to have punjabi level stability when released
Please rope.
Not this kind of distro responsibility, use something else.
You can add plasma and related components to the ignore list in pacman
You can always wait if you are worried. You don't have to update every week, even few months wont kill you.
Yes there is, search the wiki. I'd tell you how but I don't remember, last time I did it was a long time ago with a software I don't use anymore but its literally a list for packages to not update
I don't know about whatever meme distro you're using, but if you want to decouple something with as many dependencies as KDE you're eventually gonna have to choose between installing it in a chroot (read the gentoo install handbook if you don't know how) or maybe something like Nix (I don't know about that meme package manager either).
pacman -S pkg1 pkg2 etc
You can add packets to IgnorePkg list in /etc/pacman.conf
This is what I am doing when something is broken by updates
>one person says plasma never crashes and runs super smooth
>another person says it crashes as soon as you look at it, sudo rm -rf's your entire computer and makes your wife divorce you
what explains this phenomenon?
>what explains this phenomenon?
Both of them are lying
>KDE
Sorry, not my problem.
continue using x11 on kde6 or continue using kde5 what's the big deal
KDE + Wayland is the most just werks combination out there, imagine thinking you want to STAY with X11 in the year of our lord, 2020 + 4.
okay so if i want to port my dumb little video game to linux and i want to have minimal dependencies (like you can do on windows)
do i target x11 or wayland? sdl isn't an option because i want minimal amount of dependencies.
literally just use wine
the absolute state of troonix
do you recommend winelib?
go for x11, all wayland DEs have xwayland anyway
This. X11 is the standard and will continue to be the standard. Wayland trannies will just have to write infinite compatibility layers.
Use SDL or just run your windows binary with wine. SDL may not be minimal, but it takes care of all the bullshit.
>and i want to have minimal dependencies (like you can do on windows)
>windows
>Minimal dependencies
I kek every single time.
have you actually installed winshit anytime soon? so minimal.
you can link against kernel32, user32, gdi32 and xinput and have everything to make a stupid little game
>you can link to all these dependencies
doesn't sound minimal to me.
it comes installed with the OS
everyone has this installed, no exception
SDL for x11 my man, it uses the most common system components for linux distro which would be your same use cases than the one on windows.
>sdl isn't an option because i want minimal amount of dependencies
SDL is the lowest common denominator on Linux. If you target SDL, your game will still work 20 years from now on whatever window system has replaced Wayland (because we all know that will happen eventually).
ultra based, U2004 my favorite game of all time
UT04 is really great. Still prefer UT99, though
I'm using Plasma 6 and not having any issues. Maybe it's time to, you know, get a job and ditch the old troonybook x220 and get some modern equipment.
good. frick off Xtroony.
I'll take a few KDE/GNOME compositor bugs over the subpar performance Windows offers on simple things like dragging application windows (across even a single screen) and meme-worthy VRR when handling multiple monitors.
The fact I have to uncheck "show window contents while dragging" to make Windows not suck, while GNOME needs no such changes to attain the same level of usability in 2024 says it all really.
>IT'S PLASMA'AM
underrated
>it's matured enough
oh yeah, so why is xserver-IM still being used in gayland?
let me guess, someone just thinks it works better instead of checking if it was finished? its been in the same state for 10 years
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/commits/main
NOTHING
is being done to wayland
Man, Linux is such a comedy. Or more like a parody.
Literally the same happened when win 8 released and no fricking one liked it, only with windows you were butt fricked into updating even if you didn't wanted to, here the only one to blame is you for updating.
Except that everything always works on any version of Windows.
Everyone was complaining and saying win8 didn't "just works" tho
>updoot to 6.0.2
>notifications ignore settings and appear in the middle of the screen
lmao the bugfix patch introduces new bugs.
>me
>a ubungo gnome chad user reading this thread
>gn*ne
yikes a footfa- *krashes*
*reboots*
you're still a homosexual
QT and GTK do not render fonts in the same sizes anymore.
Font size 10 on QT is much smaller than it should be, GTK is actually the one that shows it at correct size.
Plasma 6 seems to have changed something that significantly reduces the font size in QT, which is essentially the majority of plasma.
This is so fricking infuriating.
does your mousepointer change size when you hover between QT/GTK applications?
No, but I get the black cursor instead on some of them.
It doesn't happen on firefox based browsers like librewolf despite them being GTK though.
The font issue is really fricking infuriating though, you end up with either too small fonts on QT stuff, or too large fonts on GTK stuff.
could it be legacy settings from Plasma5 in your old config files messing with shit?
Yes, that is possible, unless other people have the same issue.
The font issue is likely more pronounced on a 1440p monitor than a 1080p monitor too.
Gayland is not an issue for me. Flatp--ack is.
Gnome software center is blank if you disable flatpak repo.
Just like israelitebuntu is forcing snap apps on their core applications, goontrannies are also slowly forcing using to use flatpak apps.
https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/7645
>8kHz mice are a thing
wtf?
USB controllers and OSes can actually poll that fast now?
yea these corpo israelites are fast tracking the death of a functional X and purposefully demoralizing users.
>thinking about going back to Xfeces
all too tiresome
>thinking about going back to Xfeces
it's quite literally just gnome-lite now
apt install xorg
compile dwm
been doing this for almost 20 years, not stopping
>major des all drop x support
>application devs file issues to wayland and gtk/qt
>gtk/qt read it, start supporting wayland over x
>x meets the win7 scenario, only there will be no IQfyermin screeching this time
whoops
This scenario will take at least another 20 years to happen
>major des all drop x support
dwm isn't a DE, i am unaffected literally forever. enjoy your moron pedo DEs
>application devs file issues to wayland and gtk/qt
see above
>gtk/qt read it, start supporting wayland over x
see above
>x meets the win7 scenario, only there will be no IQfyermin screeching this time
nope
you seem to think everyone uses a DE or wants to, you couldn't be more wrong, rabbi
>dwm user is also a raging homosexual homosexual who doesnt see i'm talking about applications he uses dropping obsolete display server on which his special snowlake shitwm is running because wayshit is pushed by copros so much
ngmi
>i'm talking about applications he uses dropping obsolete display server
such as what? what application do i use that is becoming obsolete? can't wait to laugh
discord
sorry, i don't use discord, that's a homosexual app for homosexuals like you. so you can't name an app i use that will be obsolete then?
>gtk/qt read it, start supporting wayland over x
When this happens, I'll fork them, just like I do for gtk2.
Wayland is backdoored.
I agree that it's moronic for wayland to be the default but just switch the default session back to X11 and call it a day? Maybe after another 10 years, it'll finally be ready lol
Test
sage is still broken
My previous post did not show up. The "Test" did
already do, works fine for me, works great with 4k and scaling, having hdr is nice, having good font scaling as well. xorg feels dated by comparison.
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>why do people do things i don't like
>why can't everything stay the same
>why doesn't people do things for me, for free
do a crowdfunding for creating a distro that doesn't use wayland, gnome, gtk, systemd, pipewire, flatpaks, snap, and is 100% independent and isn't based on any other distro
that already exists, why reinvent the wheel?
when people complain about systemd you types always go for the same garbage argument too - "why not just invent your own" ignoring the fact that stable, mature, earlier, more well established software was there first
wayland, systemd, rust, these are all solutions looking for problems that simply don't exist
then why even bother to innovate, refine or push boundaries when there already exist stable, mature, earlier, more well established solutions.
and yes, i know henry ford didn't actually say that...
>https://hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast
If you do random shit for the worse you are a complete moron.
>If you do random shit for the worse
But the people with jobs that actually have to do linux love systemd, the haters are mostly schizophrenic neets who mainly use their computer to collect hand drawn child pornography.
>But the people with jobs that actually have to do linux love systemd
can confirm this. old ways of dealing with the 10s of different ways software daemonized themselves, or didn't, was insane and the scripts to make them race-free, pid-reuse safe for shutdown and startup was massively moronic.
They like systemd because it's convenient, but now that there's equally convenient alternatives that aren't trying to take over the entire OS, people get shit on for wanting to try one out. The response is always "why do you hate systemd? You must be a moronic autist that wants to force everyone to go back to sysvinit." I don't hate systemd, I love that it's brought init and process management into the modern era, but I don't like the way that using any piece of it requires using all of it, or the way that its pervasiveness has made it exceedingly difficult to use any alternative.
>that there's equally convenient alternatives
This is delusional
There are convenient alternatives for starting your minimal WM with three processes running. There are no convenient alternatives for a production system running a whole bunch of shit.
>There are convenient alternatives for starting your minimal WM with three processes running. There are no convenient alternatives for a production system running a whole bunch of shit.
If systemd were better modularized, it would be able to do both.
Total bullshit. I rarely ever see people shit on someone for using runit, I do however see countless threads about muh systemd bad with a shitload of sperging. Guaranteed, if an Artix user enters a thread, their first and only response is going to be
>heh, no systemd
>ignoring the fact that stable, mature, earlier, more well established software was there first
..........like what? honest question.
Openrc, Runit, dinit
none of those actually work though. so I ask again, what alternative?
you people must be moronic or jobless or some shit. It's immense to me how someone can look at what a .service ini file can do and you tell me that garbage you noted or the old sys v style inits were actually usable.
also OpenRC is literally "deprecated."
I want to add, I literally remember my first meme loonigs job with EL6 and trying to generalize init scripts that actually worked was basically impossible and every shitty app did something different to deamonize or not daemonize.
cgroups and systemd generally handle all this for you as long as you mark a special case if the process self daemonizes and systemd will much more accurately pid track than your shitty /run/pid file ever would.
helps that cgroups make it possible visualize the whole tree and kill it with impunity without worrying about pid reuse or some other bug that *will* happen with pid files.
S6 and runit just werks.
I use my own TWM so I am not sure how that would be possible. No systemd as well, seethe.
What do you use for devices? I had LFS installed but the latest version of it uses udev from systemd which irked me.
Devuan, sysvinit
I couldn't find much info about creating devices with sysvinit, I assume that's how it used to be done right? Deuvan has init scripts to create devices?
static /dev
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Old_Fashioned_Gentoo_Install
What's the drawback? Did people just hate having devices in dev they didn't need?
Probably.
It works flawlessly here.
Just have to set it up properly.
The advantage is that once I set it up, it only breaks if I break it, not because some program updated and broke it's udev rules or udev itself broke.
I also don't need to learn arcane udev rules and instead only mknod, chmod and chown.
no one would give a frick about deprecating x11 if they called the successor x12 instead of wayland
you know it's true
The Freedesktop Foundation's mandate is to maintain and extend X.org, not to replace it.
Wayland is simply new software that nobody really wants, but the big companies will ram down your throat anyhow.
Zoomers use Wayland only because name and "Wayland the future" meme.
>Muh im so sci-fi and smart haaaaaa...
The truth is that Wayland could easily replace X11 years ago if they took care of the compatibility and made this protocol hardware agnostic from the start. Instead they just told million users that they need to buy new graphic card or PC. Amazing fricking strategy man. You cant even blame NVIDIA for that because Xorg is doing fine on old hardware. Even fricking systemd is doing fine on old hardware, fricking pipewire is doing fine on old hardware, only moronic Wayland demands sacrifice.
X12 existed before wayland and lost steam because most real problems with X were solved with DRI3. Wayland couldn't draw more than a terminal back then. The idea that there were these massive, obvious issues that were ignored back in 2013, at probably the last peak of Xorg development, is absurd.
>be Linux user
>willingly get your shit replaced by inferior, regressive trash like Wayland
It's just like Windows users
>>be linux user
You mean
>be kde user
I don't have any kde nor gnome software, only a few non critical gtk and qt libs.
idk what are you ranting about, the desktop feels way faster and snappier with wayland than with X11 on my crappy lenovo laptop
I don't understand wayland. I literally used a compositor (gamescope) and it literally was tearing and skipping frames.
I'm sure there will be distros that will support X11 to eternity, even if just out of spite.
Maybe it's because I was already using Wayland on 5.27 but I had no new issues on Arch after upgrading to 6.0
frick kde Black folk, nice
>still no gamma control
automatically makes it shit on laptops
Works on my machine. Have fun alpha testing Plasma 6 for me
>be windows user
>Windows Explorer is what you have
>it works fine for the most part
>no one pays it any mind
>be gnutard lincuck
>argue online all day about which autism software is best
>can't pin windows over 3D games
dead on arriiiivaaaal
fricking american nerds lmfao
inb4 uhhmm chud, ackchully, what's the use case for vidya, vidya is for children
have a nice day
The only real problem on wayland is that apps can't request to be placed at an x,y location.
The rest is fine.
>renderer can't render
this renderer cannot render?
>uhhm ackchully, what's the use case for using x and y coordinates?
I don't understand how Wayland compositors are still so dogshit for many things, after so long
You should've seen X after its first 20 years.
It was way worse.
>linux went from zero to hero
>uuuhhhmmm ackchully it's shit, that's why it's everywhere
No it wasn't. The competition was XP and vista, xorg was way better by 2008.
You're smoking crack. I've never had the display server on Windows crash. X was unstable as frick, especially with the god awful drivers we had back in 2008. Stop pretending you used desktop Linux back then.
As someone used Linux back then, it was actually getting pretty stable. But in the years before there was a persistent bug that sometimes killed the session.
>it was actually getting pretty stable
If all you did was use a terminal maybe, but 3D acceleration was terrible with any of the major vendors. I have vivid memories of X crashing regularly using modeling programs and even just watching anime. The AMD drivers were especially fricked following their acquisition of ATi in 2006 which lead to a huge amount of issues for years. Nvidia definitely fared better but neither stability or performance were anywhere comparable to counterparts until 2011-2012, which is when shit was actually starting to get really good.
>That's funny because XP's crashed all the time.
Usually as a result of an application and not just the display server deciding to shit itself because you opened up mpc.
>Usually as a result of an application and not just the display server deciding to shit itself because you opened up mpc.
I don't see the difference.
AMD got only good with the open source amdgpu drivers. Before that, you had to get nvidia. Intel was always fricked.
>I've never had the display server on Windows crash
That's funny because XP's crashed all the time.
>X was unstable as frick, especially with the god awful drivers we had back in 2008
The display server isn't the drivers (except for 2D acceleration). Also intel and nvidia drivers were fine. Intel always provided good, free drivers while nvidia problems were (usually still are) rooted in distros bumping the parts of the display stack the proprietary stack interacted with.
Because everyone is building their own half-assed compositor instead of contributing to a sensible project like wlroots
There's mutter, kwin, wlroots and smithay.
What the hell are you on about.
mutter means mother in german
they're fricking your mother
imagine watching porn using 'mutter'
moronic, degenerate and destined to lose
No, thank you. It's KDE/X11 for me.
My task bar has stopped working again, can't click it, even though the super key still works to open start menu, I can't click any open apps.
So much for multi monitor support too, the fricking second monitor keeps randomly flashing black.
FRICK THIS WAYLAND SHIT AND FRICK PLASMA 6!
Wayland can't even tell the difference between primary and secondary monitor and treats the primary monitor as secondary!
There's no such thing as primary monitor in wayland
you will use nouveau garbage driver for your nvidia graphics card !
>create a thread only to reads wayland messages to dump them into an unbounded buffer
>yes do this behind gtk+'s back by using the raw wayland client handle
My god, these shitty hacks they're suggesting.
Worst part is, it's not even a guaranteed fix. Reallocation can still frick you up, since each reallocation takes time. And you're boned if the scheduler isn't running the proxy thread enough.
Just set the proxy thread to realtime priority. How can you say you love wayland, if you don't let it lock up your computer?
At this point I'm thinking I'll just move back to i3.
Can I have a dedicated floating desktop in i3 for steam and games?
Can I still have dolphin services like automounting disks and stuff, or will it force me to load all of plasma and baloo etc while it's running?
oh and can I keep using konsole with i3?
KDE programs run outside of KDE. Is i3 still X11-only? In that case you'd rely on KDE's X11 support.
just use hyprland lil niggy
I will not use gayland
>it is discovered that wayland is as imperfect and shit as everyone said all along
>does not solve anymore problems than it creates
>shocked pikachu face
thanks wayland
>but but is tear free
>inb4 novideo cuckold user.
You are quite welcome
explain yourself
Yes, you caught me. I search up "best free X 2024 Reddit" when I am looking for recommendations for X, and read comments. It is a way to get unbiased recommendations for apps, tech, software since I am reading from users rather than corpo-sponsored blogposts. I don't have an account though.
>since I am reading from users rather than corpo-sponsored blogposts
if only plebbit is filled with corporate astroturfing and shills since they know this is how everyone decides what shit to buy and what software to use these days
thanks wayland...
you can still use x11, dumb dumb
the task bar stops being clickable on X11 too dumb dumb
the desktop crashes on X11 too dumb dumb
the display configuration doesn't work correctly on X11 too dumb dumb
plasma 6 broke everything that was working perfectly before
Come home. Stop this circus performance.
>still uses an API compatible to win 3.1 era
>somehow can do things wayland does even better
My conclusion is that the Xorg devs are incompetent and don't know how to extend/modernize a system without breaking compatibility.
>xorg devs
Which ones? The only ones who have been on xorg and wayland are literally who who haven't done much and the main devs haven't worked on Wayland.
Aren't some of the central Xorg devs pushing wayland hard? I remember that youtube video, where a Xorg dev gave a talk how broken X11 is and how he gave up on it.
>I remember that youtube video, where a Xorg dev gave a talk
Nearly everything Stone complained about that video is outdated and wrong. As an extra point of hilarity, he bemoans all of the extensions xorg had at the time, but wayland currently has even more.
>he bemoans all of the extensions xorg had at the time, but wayland currently has even more.
kek, and it was obvious that this would happen.
>still uses an API compatible to win 3.1 era
No they broke a lot of shit in recent years. They also fricked up compatibility with older graphic apis.
Maybe they accidentally broke some minor shit, but for most of its existence they insisted on absolute compatibility, and support for very old shit is still working.
>accidentally
No they just stopped caring about breaking compat.
I just tried to upgrade KDE Neon to 6 from a fresh install of 5.27 (I didn't feel like making new install media), and after the update I was met with a cursor and black screen. Ended up having to have dpkg reinstall qt6-phonon with force overwrite, then reinstall plasma-desktop and plasma-desktop-data. After that I was able to load sddm after a reboot but because there was sonething messed up with the theme I couldn't actually log in with it. I reinstalled the sddm-breeze-theme and deleted the config. Which in hindsight I think was probably unnecessary as I realized that that not all updates had actually gone through. After updating again, I was finally able to log in with sddm. Had to apply the breeze sddm theme in settings to get the kde theme back. But after that it seems like everything is working.
But I did wonder if any of you have experience with krfb on wayland? I can get it to work but the two problems I face are that I can't get it to remember an unattended password after a reboot, which I think is related to me disabling the kde wallet service as I have never been able to get it to work in the past. Using the setting to not use kde wallet makes it so krfb won't launch and I have to edit the config file to get it to open again. The other issue is that on reboot kde won't remember to allow remote access even though I checked the box to remember the setting. If anyone has suggestions it would be appreciated.
Could have saved yourself hours of effort by not trying to install 6 over 5.
Im amazed that all these IQfy leet haxor Linux users expect shit like that to ever work properly when the last 20 years of linux bullshit consistently shows that upgrades like that will be a complete clusterfrick
>the last 20 years of linux bullshit consistently shows that upgrades like that will be a complete clusterfrick
Werks on my machine (TM)
>the last 20 years of linux bullshit consistently shows that upgrades like that will be a complete clusterfrick
And that's any different from Windows, how?
>And that's any different from Windows, how?
Who the frick said anything about windows?
Im imagining some guy years ago on some forum saying
>Hey i installed gnome 3 over gnome 2 and now my desktop is broken.
Everyone would just laugh and him and call him a moron.
how the frick do I fix the fricking blackscreen after updating on opensuse? Shits fricked works fine on icewm but shits itself on wayland/x11 i.e. anything plasma releated.
Add the packman repo
sudo zypper dup --allow-vendor-change --from packman
stop using nvidia.
why the frick does everyone assume this I am not using nvidia
Because that's how shills kope with the fact that KDE has always been a buggy mess.
That's the last cope card in the linux user arsenal. That or "works on my machine".
why can't the compositor just take the EAGAIN hint and mark the window as unresponsive?
or if 8kHz mice are ZOOMING at event per 125microseconds, then maybe have an extension to allocate a special IPC device for feeding high precision mice and HID devices to windows that won't frick the main lifo queue that the compositor uses to talk to windows.
The protocol forbids events from being dropped. So the only solution is either:
1. terminate the connection
2. use a variable-sized buffer, and risk potential OOM if the buffer gets too big.
Mind you, some events the compositor can simply not emit in the first place, such as mouse and keyboard events (GNOME does this, for example.) But no matter what you do, on Wayland there will always be a risk of there being some event that the compositor NEEDS to pass to a blocked, non-responsive client.
>on Wayland there will always be a risk of there being some event that the compositor NEEDS to pass to a blocked, non-responsive client.
I don't get it. just do like winshit and make the window look white washed out and assumed dead. you can make a message to the user that event x was dropped and app dev needs to fix their shit.
I didn't know mutter just drops events like keyboard/mouse though. My understanding is that's literally what X.org does to SIGSTOP/SIGTSTP'd processes.
>The protocol forbids events from being dropped
of course lmao
you can tell wayland was designed by people that exclusively use 60 hz intel laptops
windows had issues with 8000 hz mice too, but the difference is that microsoft always find a solution for that shit before it becomes mainstream
it's like fractional scaling, they went through like 4 different revisions but they put the work in and finally got it right
windows solved it 30 years ago
I have an old UMPC with the dreaded Intel Poulsobo graphics, and the only reason it still works is because XFECes is light enough to be performant even with software rendering (they removed the very buggy 2D acceleration from the kernel)
I tried Wayland on a few DEs for fun, it's so laggy that it's not even funny. Even the cursor lags somehow. I guess once X is no longer an option, it's the end of the line for the little guy.
yes, i will use wayland and eat beef
kde user on arch here, how do I try out hyperland? can I just -Syu something or do I have to get all autistic?
sudo pacman -Syu hyprland xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland waybar wofi grim gulp hyprpaper
grim and gulp are for screenshots, waybar is the polybar of wayland compositors, hyprpaper is a wallpaper setter, wofi is an application launcher.
It will be available as an option from the display manager (assuming sddm). It will autogenerate a configuration file when you first run it, but you'll want to cp /usr/share/hyprland/hyprland.conf ~/.config/hypr/hyprland.conf and change the terminal if you don't use kitty.
thank you greatly!
>YOU HAVE NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER
WRONG
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Wayland is much faster for me. It was night and day. I see no issue really. Plasma 6 has been alittle buggy, nothing crazy and I know it will get better.
is there a tool for cleaning up /etc and ~/.config, etc after removing packages?
i've been experimenting a ton, and now my shit is very dirty, i'd like to avoid a full reinstall
read your package manager's docs
for example on debian and ooboontoo, you can do this with apt purge <package>, and you can also get a list of uninstalled (but not purged) packages with dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1 (which you can pass to apt purge after reviewing and removing any entries you don't want purged for whatever reason.)
i use arch linux though
so then read the pacman manual
https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman.8
i use pamac-all with yay and flatpaks rather than pacman though
it won't be so simple
:: installing expat (2.6.2-1) breaks dependency 'expat=2.6.1' required by lib32-expat
Excuse me, what? How?
you have system gremlins enabled in pacman.conf but not lib32 gremlins
>t. i had the opposite
I'm using Artix; got system, world, galaxy, lib32 enabled for Artix and Arch extra and multilib enabled. No gremlins are uncommented under either.
do a package search for expat and see which repo it's pulling from
Pulling from system, lib32, and multilib:
system/expat 2.6.2-1 [installed: 2.6.1-1]
lib32/lib32-expat 2.6.1-1 [installed]
multilib/lib32-expat 2.6.2-1 [installed: 2.6.1-1]
Guess I should just wait for lib32 to update or can I specify I want it to pull from either multilib or system?
multilib is arch, and it's best not to mix packages from artix/arch
and like i said, my lib32 shows lib32-expat 2.6.2-1
>lib32/lib32-expat 2.6.2-1 [installed]
so likely your mirror needs updating. you can wait or change mirrors
it was moved from gremlins to lib32 2hrs ago
https://gitea.artixlinux.org/packages/lib32-expat
I see. Well frick, their wiki is out of date and I assumed I should have enabled [extra] when I instead should have just been using [multilib]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist-arch. I probably haven't bricked anything but this is also a very new system and I could just wipe it all away if shit starts to break
order is always
sys-gremlins -> sys -> world-gremlins -> world -> galaxygremlins -> galaxy -> lib32-gremlins -> lib32
then the arch stuff
testing (not rec'd) -> extra -> multilib-testing -> multi
[other repos]
gremlins/testing optional of course
That's how I have it formatted, however installing the artix-archlinux-support package doesn't even include extra (extra-testing is for whatever reason) after installation. I don't have any gremlins uncommented either. I suppose it's just time to wait. Thanks for the help, anon.
both system and lib32 have versions 2.6.2 so it could be your mirror too
I don't know man. Not being able to copy between Wayland and Xwayland without significant hacks is not a working piece of software for me.
>KDE
loooooool
I don't care as long as it works, I let the fosstards worry about writing the code for this abomination.
>YOU WILL USE WAYLAND
>YOU HAVE NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER
this but unironically
I just upgraded to Plasma 6 and X11 works perfecty fine so far, Wayland on the other hand seems completely fricked. I am on older hardware (2016) however.
>NOOOOO MY DISPLAY SERVER FROM THE 1970'S IS PERFECT YOU CANT JUST REPLACE IT WITH troony SOFTWARE
this but unironically
xfce chads we cant stop winning
it's open anon, put it back yourself. ah you want others to do it for you? for free?
I'll just use x11 and dwm, thanks.
The only RDP client I could find with functional multi monitor support on X11 has broken multi monitor support on wayland.
I have to switch back to my X11 session just so I can comfortably RDP to my work PC.
Come now anon, Wayland is pretty new. It's only 15 years old. You can't expect them to implement every feature, now can you?
What. Broken multi monitor is supposed to be a thing on X11, while Wayland gloriously solves all these problems at once.
I haven't had ANY issues updating from Plasma 5 to Plasma 6.
Even using Wayland. No issues whatsoever.
Ryzen 5800X and RX 6600XT btw.
It seems, devs didn't care about NEETs and poor. People with newer hardware report 0 issues or minor issues.
fug I want to switch back to i3 but I'm way too fricking lazy to rice out a config since I haven't done this in so long. I don't even remember the syntax
The frick you rice i3 for? I3 is already useable ootb
by rice I mean move over my gorillion global shortcuts from KDE, and mainly just getting everything to how I have it on plasma
r8 my thumbnail gee
You're a homosexual for putting a soijak in the thumbnail and I wouldn't even bother to read the title, let alone click the video.
post screenfetch
homie, that's nuts.
You suck and frick you for blogging about your arguments on reddit here
Nobody wants to read you complaining about arguing with homosexuals on other websites here
>t. wayland users
Don't care, I'm still using x11 and I'm still not watching your moronic video. Buy an ad
If I wanted you to watch I'd post the link
I had just a feeling the self reflection upon seeing a soijack would trigger a meltdown.
It's just I'm not watching it is all. I know, I know, it's just that I'm not going to watch your video. I know you want me to, it's just that I'm not going to do it.
I can't be mean to someone so autistic that a pasta is your only reply to what I said. Sad.
Enjoy your weekend wayland-kun
Enjoy your weekend, soijak-kun. I'm going to not be watching your video in the mean time, in case you're interested.
Same, but I'm going to be fully erect and naked, in case anyone wants to tune in.
Just taking a moment to say that I'm running Debian 12, and will be riding KDE5 + X11 until I am absolutely forced to change. This gives me at least 3-4 more years for wayland to mature. Maybe it'll be ready by then, but honestly it's always been so shitty that I really doubt it.
Riddle me this. Why did wayland try to invent its own special snowflake way of solving screen tearing? Tearing is a solved problem already, just page-flip bro. This would have solved one of wayland's premier design flaws.
>install wayland+new kde
>can't tell any difference between wayland and X
why is everyone so mad?
I have a VGA cable that makes it so my system can't detect the display capabilities of a monitor--in particular, the maximum resolution. On X11, you can simply use gtf and xrandr to fix this. On wayland, you have to config grub and you cannot use a resolution larger than the "maximum" listed by your system, making this only useful for changing refresh rates.
Also, I frequently see glitches using Wayland on an old Intel PC (from 2010) and recently got a severe one that forced me to close the web browser on another old Intel (from 2009). Nothing like that on my AMD from 2021, so far, but X11 almost never had problems (just a few crashes due to lack of swap space) with the others.
TL;DR: Wayland sucks on older hardware.
>mfw reading this whole thread
See
. Current XFCE uses Wayland.
no, no it doesn't lmao
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
xfwm4 doesn't even support gayland currently, they're planning on making it useable with xfce 4.20 but that's still far far away (and they're not gonna remove x11 support anyway)
Good to know, I was worried about updating in the near future.
yeah you shouldn't need to worry about that. xfce updates are usually pretty stable and it follows a slow release cycle. the original xfce 4.0 released in september 2003, and we're on 4.18 currently
also when I said they're planning on making it usable with the next release, that means just that, usable. chances are x11 will still be the default (which I won't complain about, I'm on nvidia kek)