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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BeefLang is better

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why yes i am a Zigger

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dont care about airtight memory safety -> use C or
    C++
    care about airtight memory safety -> use Rust
    where does Zig fit in here?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > t. nocoder

      However, would fit in the first case. However, has constructs to avoid such mistakes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        anon... you're the nocoder for advocating for zig. the language has no reason to exist when you can just use C or C++.
        if your argument is that it has better tooling (better build system, cross-compilation, runtime safety features built-in, etc), that is still not good justification for a new language. just like, make better tools for existing languages that people actually use.
        zig got only a few things right (overflow semantics with +% etc, pointer alignment encoded in the type, ...) but those things are largely inconsequential when weighing them against the cost of using a language that very few people use.

        zig is supposed be rust but more c like

        wrong. zig is not memory safe.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          by the way, have they fixed any of the things mentioned in this talk or no?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >make better tools for existing languages that people actually use
          lol, 60 years of c and no one told them that yet? you're genius

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the c tools are not really that bad and they continue to improve YoY though? what are you missing?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If something new appears that offers an alternative to C tools and gain actual popularity even among C programmers then SOMETHING must be bad about current state of C tools.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      zig is supposed be rust but more c like

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, what does it bring over C++? Comptime seems neat but other than that I don't know.

      Rust benefits is cargo + borrow-checker and the second is fixed fully by smart pointers and the first possibly by vcpkg, conan, gentoo/portage/ports.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lol no
        here is a trivial memory unsafe "modern c++" program: https://godbolt.org/z/drob1nsY1

        If something new appears that offers an alternative to C tools and gain actual popularity even among C programmers then SOMETHING must be bad about current state of C tools.

        visual studio and llvm sanitizers werks for me, i dont need much more (package managers are stupid)

        I say this as someone who actually likes Rust. Rust is a horrible C replacement. I think Rust does a better job at replacing managed languages like Java, C#, Scala etc because it gives you bare metal performance while still being able to abstract code but I would never write a driver or OR in Rust. It literally gets in your way.

        on the contrary, rust is exactly for those cases. you encapsulate all your unsafe abstractions in a few files that can be easily and thoroughly audited and then you build memory safe code on top of them.
        you shouldn't use rust when the excessive friction outweighs the benefits, which is why it's bad for programming software with changing requirements that requires constant iteration. in that case, you should use c/c++ if it's performance critical and managed languages otherwise.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >visual studio and llvm sanitizers werks for me
          for ((you)).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no, i dont want to use a proper debugger and ide, i will use tools richard stallman personally wrote in the 1980s instead!
            >why are c tools so bad!!!111!!!!!????

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If something new appears that offers an alternative to C tools and gain actual popularity even among C programmers then SOMETHING must be bad about current state of C tools.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I say this as someone who actually likes Rust. Rust is a horrible C replacement. I think Rust does a better job at replacing managed languages like Java, C#, Scala etc because it gives you bare metal performance while still being able to abstract code but I would never write a driver or OR in Rust. It literally gets in your way.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't heard anything about Zig since they dropped their llvm compiler, which is expected since now they have a giant burden. Their last release was mid 2023.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing that blocks 0.12 are release notes.
      LLVM is not dropped yet.

      It's not nice to lie.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the last zig thread had 11 replies and was all about Jai. The language is DOA when on IQfy Hare has better engagement than Zig
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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you gauge language life by reply count on IQfy? lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >measuring language popularity by IQfy replies
      you can't be that moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hare bros we won

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Will bun help zig achieve critical mass or zig will cause bun to stall. Although bun may not need help to fail, the better node than node is a bad goal, deno is where it's at.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bun is completely irrelevant
      the Bun guys did some cool things in the javascript space but they miss the point of several key aspects of zig. I would not want to work with a bun developer
      TigerBeetle is the more important flagship product but it's a financial database and thus very niche
      It needs a game engine or something. Mach looks like a promising alternative to Godot/Raylib etc but it's still very early.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This, all 3 are relevant for Zig popularity but out of them only Mach (or maaaybe TigerBeetle) will be able to increase number of Zig programmers

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    zig heil

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