Harold Godwinson died on 14th October 1066. Let us take the time to remember this great man, the last true English King of England.
Let's remember Harold Godwinson, the last true English King of England
Harold Godwinson died on 14th October 1066. Let us take the time to remember this great man, the last true English King of England.
Ehehehe
t. Norman
Go back.
you ready to get clapped again angloid boy?
>you ready to get clapped again angloid boy?
This LARPing is kind of cringe my man. The Anglo-Saxons lost almost 1,000 years ago. Do you even live in England?
He made the same thread on IQfy.
>kinda cringe
No it is objectively cringe.
>cringe
>my man
Go back to twitter
It's the 15th of October
Time to move on, OP.
Harold and his family were a bunch of Anglo-Danish traitors that deserved worse. The last true English King was Edward.
Danes are Germanic and therefore more conducive to integrating with English culture. But Franco-Normans ruling over England should never have been allowed.
Well why is William III not an English king? He was Dutch, they're Germanic.
All kings after 1066 claim their legitimacy from William the Bastard's conquest, and are thus illegitimate and non-English. It is preferable even under those circumstances to have a Germanic king, but even the most Germanic of post-1066 kings still serve the interests of the Norman occupiers.
No, you are not English. Go back.
>Germanic
Do you even know what that term actually means? It means people who historically spoke Germanic languages lmao.
Look at Germanic Y-DNA. They're like a threeway split of R1b, R1a and I, and even more mutted on the maternal lines.
The first king to begin speaking English again was Germanic, and I think that was Edward I or something. I think a few generations after him the kings of England were solely speaking English too.
Virtually every single important figure in English history has been of the Norman gentry class/ancestry, all scientists bishops almost all industrialist (the rest of industrialist were Scott’s, not even Anglo Saxon)
The men who colonized america were also Norman (Washington, Lee, Jefferson Fitzgerald, Roosevelt, Vanderbilt) all Norman names
The anglo saxons are mostly normanized farmer and working class stock, that’s not a bad thing, but it is just reality
http://occidentaldissent.com/2012/03/23/southern-civilization-or-the-norman-in-america/
>all the important figures in norman-dominated england, in which anglo-saxons and their culture were ruthlessly oppressed, were norman
You think you're some kind of genius for pointing this out?
He's just another weird fricking Hispanic or some other type of med with a hateboner for all things Germanic.
Dude, normans are Germanic/Nordic/steppe idiot, they are just different racial stock, I’m not the first to point this out
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fitzhugh
>Dude, normans are Germanic/Nordic/steppe idiot,
They really aren't. By the time the Normans came to England they were heavily mixed with indigenous French people.
You can even see it in the genealogies of their kings, and if even their highranking kings and warchiefs were mingling with indigenous Gallo-Romans and Bretons you can sure as shit bet the lesser Normans were too.
Also, many Bretons came over with the Normans in their conquest and invasions.
I mean sure all these peoples are Nordic/Steppe I guess. But he was making an exclusive point about Germanic ancestry or something (even though Germanic peoples were already mixed af at the time let alone today).
>You can even see it in the genealogies of their kings, and if even their highranking kings and warchiefs were mingling with indigenous Gallo-Romans and Bretons you can sure as shit bet the lesser Normans were too
I mean yeah, William's mother was a peasant girl from the countryside. Certainly Gallo-Roman/Frankish.
No such thing as Gallo Roman
Even north italians are literally half celtic
The swarthy people you see in france are israelite/spanish/italian immigrants from the 1920s who came in shiton numbers
>geneaologies of their kings
Hard to have kings when William is the first Norman king. The Rollonids intermarried with the franks and galloromans but the knights and freemen were largely still northmen who had married wives before movement or married norsmen from colonies in England Ireland and Scotland
>the knights and freemen were largely still northmen who had married wives before movement or married norsmen from colonies in England Ireland and Scotland
Source: your ass.
The first generation of Normans born after Rollo became count of Normandy already spoke Old French. Why? Because they were brought up by French-speaking Gallo-Frankish mothers. By 1066, every inhabitant of Normandy was firmly considered a Norman, and yet there's no way the 12000 or so Vikings who survived the Siege of Chartres replaced the far larger native population (Normandy had 700000 inhabitants in 1066), from there we can surmise that the Normans were a completely new ethnos, and certainly more "French" than Scandinavian after five to seven generations of intermingling.
>source my ass
No actually reading on normans, some dutch woman, let me find the book
>the knights and freemen were largely still northmen
Absolutely not. Even though many knights and men-at-arms who took part in the great Norman conquests of the 11th century were from the Cotentin peninsula, IE the area where Scandinavian settlement had been the most important.
>indegenous french
Franks are literally germanic moronic Black person
France is a Celto-Germanic country
Those are usually just israelites.
>hateboner for germanic
Except anglicised danes in the danelaw wouldn't be that different to christianised danes that settled in normandy
Most of the posters who seethe about Germanics are Slavs and/or israelites
>The men who colonized america were also Norman (Washington, Lee, Jefferson Fitzgerald, Roosevelt, Vanderbilt) all Norman names
On 6 July 1776, the first committee for the production of the Great Seal of the United States convened. One of three members of the committee, Thomas Jefferson, proposed that one side of the seal feature Hengist and Horsa, "the Saxon chiefs from whom we claim the honor of being descended, and whose political principles and form of government we assumed"
Such a shame America, and the rest of the white English-speaking world, turned away from Anglo-Saxonism.
What could have been... Sigh
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th-century_Anglo-Saxonism
So? A Norman praising Anglo Saxon tribal traditions of republicanism that were also present in Norman England in multiple time periods
Normans and Franks are quite literally Germanic moronic Black person
>the french are germanic bro source: dude trust me
>last english
Last early English but not last English
Normans are not English.
Anglicised normans are
t. person with two Norman surnames
>Norman surname
Not exactly fully Englishized then, are you.
James I was pretty English
>Harold Godwinson
>last true king of England.
Lmao, By his own admission in the vow he swore on holy relics, he was not the rightful king and William was the rightful successor.
The normans were not “”French”” which itself is a meme ethnicity
Don’t care, irrelevant.
In 1064 Harold Godwinson (later “”King”” Harold II), swore an oath on sacred relics to support William of Normandy in his claim to the English throne.
>he doesn’t understand what subclades are
Sigh… French is not more a made up ethnicity than English, Italian, German, Spanish or any other out there.
Mutts united by a common language. That’s 90% of the ethnic groups in existence
Edward the Confessor was the last true Anglo-Saxon king
Well yes.
He was the last king who was truely Anglo-Saxon.
But not the last true king of the Anglo Saxons.
Yeah that
"Identical to the average Frenchman"
proof Britain is black and of cheddar man origin
>be edward confessor
>designate your wife's brother as your heir
>the dude who kept trying to usurp the throne usurps the throne when you're dead
>your designated heir gains the throne
>four generations of kings later you and your rule is still remembered with kings swearing to rule by your memory
>those kings' vassals start adopting your language with modifications
>eventually even the king is speaking it
>your kingdom goes on to conquer 1/3rd of the world, christianising it all the way, in tune with your legacy of being a saintly king
>look down from heaven
>HaRoLd GoDwInSoN lAsT eNgLiSh KiNg
Edward was a moron who designated both Harold and William as his heirs
No he designated william his heir, harald was elected by the witan and did not refuse the office
>tfw could've kept the white dragon if not for angevins
If only the blois won, then the dukes of champagne would be kings
Based.
>OH NO NO NO
>WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO GODWINSON BROS??????
>what is known about the state of the Church there at that time is that subsequent to the Norman Invasion in 1066, church life was radically altered. Native clergy were replaced, liturgical reform enacted, and a strong emphasis on papal church control was propagated. As such, it is probably safe to say that, prior to 1066, the church of the British Isles was Orthodox, and the Normans brought the effects of the Great Schism to British soil. As such, it is probably proper to regard Harold as having been an Orthodox Christian.
>The court ruled against Harold, and the Pope accepted that William's purpose was to reform the church, he sent his blessing on this holy endeavour, a papal banner to carry into battle, and a ring for William to wear on the expedition which contained a relic of St Peter himself. There was one condition: it was understood that William would hold England as a vassal of the Pope. William had not the least intention in the world of doing anything of the sort; but he accepted the ring and the banner and said nothing. And those, as things turned out, were the most powerful weapons he took to England (ibid.)
>Upon his return to southern England, Harold soon received word from William's forces that he had been excommunicated by the Pope and that the Normans carried papal blessing to invade England. All evidence suggests that this news utterly demoralized King Harold. While he had been a powerful commander against the Norsemen, upon hearing news of the alleged excommunication, he declared, "May the Lord now decide between William and me" (Howarth, p. 164), and before going to battle, "the terrible rumour was starting to spread that the King was excommunicated and the same fate hung over any man who fought for him" (ibid., 165).
is this Anglo-Orthodoxy just English speakers taking the ortholarp to dizzying new heights, or do they have any merit in their claims?
>is this Anglo-Orthodoxy just English speakers taking the ortholarp to dizzying new heights, or do they have any merit in their claims?
The latter.
It’s a wewuzkangz tier LARP but even funnier because they try and make out Harold as the good guy, even though all the sources show that he swore a vow only holy relic and broke it (so immediate moral sin right there).
They aren’t able to prove any of their claims so they stick mostly to ortho circle jerks and schizo blogs.
>Be Edward the confessor
>"Rule" a tiny part of England while Godwin and his spawn control huge swathes of land
>King in name only, still alive because I was forced to marry Godwin's daughter
>Only had the option to marry his daughter because all the Danish claimants were dead
>Spend years making alliances with Northern earls and Normandy
>Chase the Godwin and his sons out of England and try to dump my wife in a convent
>the same wife who conveniently has not had a child with me after over a decade of marriage
>Godwin returns with an army and forces you to return all his families land and continue to remain married to his daughter
>Die and promise throne to long term allies and relatives
>900 years later some homosexual on a Chinese hot glue image board tries to say I liked the buttholes that kept me a prisoner all my life
Anglo Saxons were foreign invaders too, they'd just been there a bit longer.
did this ever dawn of them lol
> The deaths of Harold—killed by an arrow in the eye
lol