>he thinks i roll out of bed at 8:59AM >he thinks i roll out of bed >he thinks i know what hours correspond to company time >he thinks i even remember the name of the company that i work for
there are many joys of wfh. but my favourite aspect is quite hard to explain.
It all begins, when it starts to dawn on normie wagies that wfh neets might, just might, quite possibly, as outlandish as it may be to claim, are infact... not working.
and in their small wagie brains, they start ruminating how that might look: "Oh, he's probably watching youtube in another window", "i bet hes got no pants on", "doing his shopping on company time"...
when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity. I am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning, and that's it. that's my work day. at no point during the rest of the day do i open the lid of my laptop.
the beauty of it, is that it is literally not within the ability of a wagies brain to comprehend this reality, anymore than that of a bird comprehending the C programming language. it is qualitatively, physically, objectively, impossible. but, unlike the bird, the wagie is not deterred, and in their quant little wagie brains they fantasize and try to image, as they may, what nefarious schemes those cheeky wfh neets are up to.
you're not a wfh neet, you're just a neet >am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning,
in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week, you're not attending impromptu meetings and you're ignoring everyone's calls/messages. You wouldn't last a day in a real wfh job
3 months ago
Anonymous
>in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week >he doesn't have a mouse jiggler
Anon, I...
3 months ago
Anonymous
I thought they had ways to detect that now, even if it's hardware
3 months ago
Anonymous
>use web version of teams on firefox >it has no way to detect mouse activity when unfocused >rely on this accurate technical fact as defense if questioned
Problem?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>boss orders you to install and use the shitty teams spyware electron app
now what
3 months ago
Anonymous
>in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week, you're not attending impromptu meetings and you're ignoring everyone's calls/messages. You wouldn't last a day in a real wfh job
NTA, but I can tell you that a coworker on my team of night-shift network admins who stopped working beyond signing in, it took 3 months for them to get canned - and that was only after he was working solo when a huge outage occurred and he was the break in the chain of escalation.
Naturally a lot of the delay in this case was from lacking assignments with deadlines - outside of changes we're basically technical nightwatches.
But there is a truth that WFH encourages the kind of "out of sight, out of mind" mentality which befits anons. Color in the lines and have a manager that cares about your utility over your persona (low office politics), and you can have a boring but relatively low-bullshit job.
t. autist with SPD who spends their summer shifts on the covered patio
>your employer
I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
and like all WFH people you have a bizarrely haughty and ungracious attitude about this (which is a large part of why WFH is being slowly taken away btw)
>when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity
Once my neighbor moronicly started a wildfire and I went there to help him put it out. On company time.
>boot licker mods ban based neet
This is the true face of autism. Emotionless husks who've handed over their humanity to their corporate overlords for pennies a day.
same i sleep through/miss meetings all the time. never use alarm clocks. 4 hours of work a week at most. i don't do anything but drink/smoke/fap. coworkers love and praise me
I did this for four years and eventually got fired for literally not doing anything.
I have a giant stash of money and somewhere to live rent free now.
this is what i do >wake up at 8:59am >roll over and turn laptop on and join teams call 5 minutes late >give my update on work done yesterday (make up some bullshit about training) >teams call over >go back to sleep until noon >make lunch >go for swim if it's warm out or jump on my treadmill when it's cold >check teams around 3pm and answer anything that comes through (5-10 minutes) >catch up on whatever show I'm watching (just started the Sopranos) >log off at 5pm
No. It's an east/west coast US thing. West is earlier, and a lot of engineers work a 6AM-3PM shift on West coast. Midwest, 7-4PM is common. A 9AM start is late by any measure, which is sort of the point of that post.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why do they call it 9 to 5 then?
>In germany you usually get up at 5am and work starts at 6am, some even earlier.
how the frick do night owls even survive in Germany? 9am work is already barely manageable for me, that sounds horrible
This. I'm a night owl and having to get up at 8:30 is torture.
I'm German and i have flexible work hours. I could start at 6am as you say, but frick that shit, I like sleeping in, so I usually start work around 8am. Sometimes a little earlier if I feel like it though.
>In germany you usually get up at 5am and work starts at 6am, some even earlier.
how the frick do night owls even survive in Germany? 9am work is already barely manageable for me, that sounds horrible
I don't see many people talking about the unpaid over time. I start my day around 9. But I usually finish work around 6. Not including extra hours I do on Sunday to get updates from our Indian team. Or the unpaid oncall work we do in nearly all technology jobs. You hear laborers moaning about dragging their asses to work at 7. You don't hear them moaning because they get ~$500 a week in untaxable (and largely unverified) mileage reimbursement. I know because I used to drive to customer sites to work on equipment.
This is basically how it works in the rest of the civilized world. Ignore the gercuck
3 months ago
Anonymous
>spanish
considering your clocks are more than an hour further ahead than what they should be that doesn't really surprise me.
That's just waking up at 8 and starting work at 9 in places that have a timezone appropriate for their location.
>friend of mine lives a lone while studying to get his CS degree. >works with a Canadian company and gets 3K€ a month writing Critical software like drivers for aeroplanes.
The average wage of my parents is 1.7Κ€. And we are considered middle class.
Along with that we all live relatively rurally in the outskirts of a small city-town.(this place is green and you can take nice long walks)
So yeah! I actually think work from home GREAT!
IN FACT I WOULD ARGUE: PAY ME LESS! Than your average office employee, pay me half his wage so that I can work from the comfort of my rural town.
Personally I always wake up at 6AM on my own. Never needed a clock or anything.
Nothing I hate more than low IQ morons and minorities who take advantage of situations to force people who actually work regardless of being at home or in the office to come in and work. I was more productive at home than I was at the office so they just let me continue work from home. Since then, I've had 2 or 3 other people try to force me to come into the office or cause other issues for me that ultimately ends up with me telling them if I can't work from home I'll resign immediately and them then letting me continue to work from home.
every person who wfh and constantly orders doordash and grocery delivery, and who relies on their electricity continuing to work and clean water coming out of the faucet, does that
we don't think that, your employer and common sense does. fight your employer to pay you for time used for commuting and other related shit, not the customers.
>your employer
I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
and like all WFH people you have a bizarrely haughty and ungracious attitude about this (which is a large part of why WFH is being slowly taken away btw)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence >you should have to suffer because I do
This is the most boomer post itt
3 months ago
Anonymous
for the third time: I am not working one of those jobs. in fact I am a species even lower than either the WFH programmer OR the Doordasher: an unemployed mentally ill neet on welfare
I'm just able to recognized an entitled shithead when I see one. the fact that the only reason you can imagine that someone might be disgusted by your attitude is that they're one of your servants is pretty telling
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm just able to recognized an entitled shithead when I see one
You don't recognize shit or understand how the modern world works. Construction workers wouldn't be doing shit without the architects and engineers who sit at their desks (and can do so from home) and every low level worker at a factory is only working at all because programmers and IT are keeping the machines running (and can do so from home). The modern world does not need this outdated boomer thinking of yours just like we don't need a bloated management class who know nothing about the disciplines of the people they manage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Capitalist boomers live in a cartoon world, and their concepts of good and evil are beyond warped. Up is down, black is white. They use religious language and reinforcement to shame others, but it's to reinforce evil shit. They think they're actual moral by shitting on poor people, driving people to stress and early graves, firing them at the flick of a switch to save a penny, outright conning, no regulating and chaos in the world, etc.. Just pick any subject and it's some fricked up inversion of what's actually humane and decent.
3 months ago
Anonymous
how much extra do you pay the impoverished doordasher slaves who bring you all your meals, fatty?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm 6'4" 200. I shop and cook myself. Just because I'm chilling doesn't mean I'm chilling on the things that matter. It's just that people like you specifically don't matter. Nothing to do with neglecting my own self.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This
how much extra do you pay the impoverished doordasher slaves who bring you all your meals, fatty?
Projection
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're an imbecile and a hypocrite
Now go back to China to kiss the feet of the people who give you your cheap gadgets
3 months ago
Anonymous
Schizo post, that made zero sense as a reply to the comment you tagged.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're simply another moron. >just understand that your cushy western lifestyle relies on tens of thousands of non-western people enjoying substandard existences in order to support the weight of your existence, so you can LARP as an holier-than-thou imbecile
3 months ago
Anonymous
>showing up
and they get paid to do so, what is your point? People spending money is good for the economy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you blame people who get to WFH for a bad attitude while this just smells like sour grapes to a mile away. I haven't seen wfh people make threads rubbing it into commutegays faces, why does this thread even exist?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
Strictly speaking, a software development firm could be run entirely by people working from home. Not just the programmers, but the marketing and accounting departments, everyone in charge of business decisions. No one is physically assembling a product together, and anything that involves two people talking together can be done via a phone call, or over any number of communication apps.
Retail and manufacturing jobs require nearly everyone working at them to be available in person, but all corporate offices could be deleted from existence, and it would not negatively impact productivity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but this doesn't really seem relevant to his point, which isn't about logistics, but about the imperiousness and ingratitude of the WFH class.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gratitude to what? Companies should be glad people are making them millions and billions of dollars. Frick off with your slave morality.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>slave morality
Ohh shit we got a true Nietzschean uberman over here. Can I suck your dick?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not until you wash your mouth out from sucking your bosses'
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'll let you do it remotely.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The post I was responding to was making the claim that WFH requires tons of other people physically showing up to their jobs. While it is true that you do need other people in other companies showing up to their jobs, your own company may require zero. Why should any company enforce a policy on their own workers based on what other companies are doing?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're simply braindead.
911 operators are ungrateful as frick, they should go physically meet the people asking them for help in order to pay cult to the rest of the economy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno. You don't have to care, but I do think the perception that too many WFH people act like we consider ourselves superior beings has contributed to the gradual rollback of WFH in the last year or so. Feelings and status matter to normal people.
3 months ago
Anonymous
IQfy is not normal society, no one cares except morons like musk
3 months ago
Anonymous
post bank account balance
3 months ago
Anonymous
~90k
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I do think the perception that too many WFH people act like we consider ourselves superior beings has contributed to the gradual rollback of WFH in the last year or so. Feelings and status matter to normal people.
I disagree with the former but due to the latter.
More simply, if a worker who commutes perceives that you do not have to commute to work, and they would prefer that themselves but don't readily have the means or will, and you have no status in their eyes that justifies it implicitly, many would take that alone as a slight and justify the feeling.
And the darndest thing is that if you went up to that person and offered to have them hang out while you work and literally job shadow to pick up the skills - they're almost always uninterested or take it derisively. I offer every time the point comes up, and especially with the older folks it's more that, from their perspective, if I have this opportunity it is loathsome to either not commit myself to the company or a family. No one likes idle hands unless they're idling for them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Class doesn't exist in America which is most of the people itt talking about wfh. I know people don't agree with that. But the truth is that skilled labor in white collar and blue collar jobs can make $100k/yr for a four year degree or less, in most parts of the country, and 40-50 hour work week. It isn't class. It isn't white collar-blue collar. It's skilled vs unskilled labor. There are just as many unskilled white collar jobs as blue collar if not more.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Extremely Black persondly post
3 months ago
Anonymous
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
That's right, hundreds of people have steady incomes because I WFH. You're welcome.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they chose jobs that require physical presence. A lot of them like it. Office work doesn't require this. A lot of office drones are actually moronic enough to prefer it to wfh. Office drones who like physical jobs cause they have no friends should frick off and get a physical job instead of dragging everyone else into their bullshit. Blue collar workers who want to be at home should frick off and get a wfh job instead of seething with envy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Office drones who like physical jobs cause they have no friends
You really cracked the case here. Office gays are just lonely losers who want to use work as a substitute for the social life they lack and they are intent on bringing everyone down with them.
My social life has only flourished with WFH as I have more time to spend with my friends and family. Coworkers are NOT your friends and in 99% of cases can be acquaintances that you go have a beer with every now and then at most.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
And working from an office doesn't? Do office jobs not require electricity or something?
3 months ago
Anonymous
look at all those (You)s, this is apparently amazing bait even if you didn't intend it as such
gonna have to remember to keep this in my back pocket
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ungracious
We already have a universal form of showing gratitude. Money. People are grateful to the deliveryman bringing them food. By paying them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
money is a measure of obligation, not of gratitude
3 months ago
Anonymous
People working in an office also use water and electricity and they live their entire lives without a single thought of the people who have to work in plants to provide utilities. And the people providing utilities rely on products made by slaves, whom they also go their entire lives without thinking about even once. There is absolutely zero difference. You're so fricking stupid, I want to kill you so badly right now, I want to send you straight to hell for all eternity, anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I want to kill you so badly right now
most mentally stable WFHer
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for your service.
3 months ago
Anonymous
there's no service, in fact if you're employed you're paying for me to be a neet
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
And I should care why? That's like saying that since there are starving children in Africa that I should starve myself too.
>your employer
I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
and like all WFH people you have a bizarrely haughty and ungracious attitude about this (which is a large part of why WFH is being slowly taken away btw)
if your job can be done from home you should be able to work from home. If it can't well obviously you can't. Elon's job is to shitpost on twatter all day, do coke and frick premium prostitutes, all from the comfort of his home. Yet he wants his office drones who can do everything on a laptop to commute (something he's never done in his entire life) to work in the morning California traffic.
So my employer then? Office is powered by a single feed of electricity, everything is delivered by the supermarket's delivery service, and last time I checked there was a tap with running water people drank. By your metrics that's several sequential single points of failure for one workforce, but when we all work from home every single one of those SPoF's is diversified across every single employee.
That's literally everyone including most of the people working blue collar jobs supporting the utilities you just mentioned. You're delusional if you don't think that tradesmen don't spend their money on bullshit like lolli and Funko pops too. That's half of where this moronic "aspirational middle class" comes from.
>some jobs, by their very nature, require workers to be physically on-site >therefore we should make everyone else be warehoused for eight hours a day
???
seems cruel and spiteful
all it takes to realize who is worth keeping and who isn't, is to just see what happens if you fire that person. does the business crumble? no? then guess what. whether you WFH or not is up to them.
If there are jobs that require only knowledge, not physical presence, but you're required to be physically present anyway, what does it tell you?
It tells you that the job you are doing isn't really what it seems. It seems like they just want your knowledge, but the truth is, they want more, something that requires your presence.
What is it?
The truth is, the managers only got their position because of what they are. No what they know.
Did you know that tallness is positively correlated with wealth - strongly so?
Did you know that having an attractive face makes you more likely to be promoted?
Managers fear that all their unfair advantages get undermined if only your knowledge, not your genetics count.
The tall and handsome managers want their workers around them to physically mog them. They instinctively know that they will lose a huge chunk of their influence if everyone works from home. Nobody is impressed with your 6 foots and four inches in a VIDEO CALL.
To dominate people, you need them AROUND YOU.
WFH equalizes people. It brings the brightest, the hardest working to the top. Not the most attractive. This is a problem for those managers who got to enjoy their genetic privileges all their life, but suddenly, they find themselves deprived of their magic powers. No more sweet smiles from the hot secretary. No more looking down on your shorter subordinates. This is what the managers miss. They miss the implicit domination. It's a powerful drug and WFH denies them them this feeling. And there's fear and outrage and jealousy. That the short uggo might know more and works harder and is more intelligent. That now, where his height doesn't matter and he doesn't have to show his face, he gets acknowledged.
Elon misses this feeling when he enters a room and everyone looks at him. >look, the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD is in the same room as me! >WOW, it's really him!
1) You only need to see people once in a great while for the physical presence thing to kick in. One in person meeting is good for ~6-12 months
2) Attractive people still look better on video
3) Fat people still look fat (you forgot about the inverse correlation between being BMI and IQ/Income)
You're correct, but wasting your time here.
Most ppl just want to follow rules. The have zero agency given broad tasks, and don't understand what managers are supposed to be doing, or why, ergo don't understand why some ppl move up and others are left behind. > Wife needs to find person to promote to sr. director, so she can move into VP Ops role. > Going over the current candidates w/ her, only one of the 3 really seems to understand the concept of working out what to do with her direct reports in tackling unscoped objectives, after a year trying to coach up the 3. > Most senior mgr, with most knowledge, isn't getting it, and would be a trainwreck as a sr. director... I note that promotion just amplifies bad habits and this mgr has a ton. She would make all her report's life hell. And she's going to be pissed when she gets passed over, and won't understand why
>ergo don't understand why some ppl move up and others are left behind.
Which is why it's hard to tell whether complaints are legit, and many times they are.
It's a like a teacher: do the students "hate" the teacher because he's a tyrant, or just because he's hard, but fair?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's impossible to tell from the surface, but generally shit people have shit performance, and it all rolls downhill. If you find a bad / hard to work with org, chances are the entire thing is rotten up to some point in the org structure. That's why bad CEOs are particularly heinous. They can create an entire company of sociopaths. > t. used to work at one.
I gave up, and do consulting now. I avoid BTO by just not being in client town, or 100pct utilization with anyone.
I believe this if only because I know the opposite is true, a bad manager can absolutely destroy a work environment, ruin a team and take a business from the top straight into the ground. I've left several jobs working for good companies that liked me because they promoted some worthless sack of horse shit into a manager position and I'd rather flip burgers or try my luck with unemployment than deal with them
It's more along the lines of >don't look at me don't look at me don't look at me please god have mercy I moved three states for this job don't look at me
the truth is there are only a few scenarios in which physical presence makes sense.
For example writing code for hardware in some cases.
If we are writing code for a drone or something we need a lab where we can test it actively for example.
Or if we are testing cars or code for factory hardware.
But if I'm writing code for a web service we are developing then all we need is a chat group.
Not just Elon, all managers. They want to be admired and acknowledged and to impress.
It's a drug and WFH makes it impossible to get high again.
See, when aboss enters the room, the people under him know that he has power and the boss knows he is powerful. He doesn't want to know this, he wants to FEEL this.
This is why managers hate WFH.
It destroys their genetic priviledge and it denies them their power-drugs.
Make $225 cash + $275K public company RSUs at current price, quarterly vest, WFH remote first company, live waterfront, hot wife, kid on the way, get fricked RTO. AWS tried to get me to come in so I left for this job. 15 yoe great at leetcode thats all there is to it. I actually work 40 hours a week though maybe thats how I pull it off?
> if you WFH and think that others should physically show up to their jobs, you are morally bankrupt.
If your job requires you to show up to work, because you need to physically interact with something, you should show up to work. If you can WFH, you should. Those who work from home use less energy transporting themselves to and from work every day, and take up less space in corporate offices. By decreasing the amount of space dedicated to corporate offices within cities, we can instead dedicate more land in our cities to housing, green spaces (parks), and other businesses that do require people to work in person. Asking employees who are physically capable of accomplishing their tasks by working from home to instead come into the office on a regular basis is both inefficient and immoral.
its a good thought but those corporate offices are ran by big money CEOs who also never show up to the office and are far to busy "doing other things" usually related to side jobs
on another note most of these places that are pissed at WFH have already started hiring offshore work forces who will never step foot in the country they are working for and are entrusted with production tasks. further showing they really dont need you to be in the office, its a control thing
Got lucky, right place right time. My manager is based and works from home too. Pretty much all other teams had to go back to the office. The pay could be higher but I can move anywhere in the county and save on rent. I'll take a lower salary over slaving my life away commuting and sitting in the office trying to look busy.
excuse me I am a higher class citizen so please make sure you promptly show up to your job at the starbucks to make my coffee that I'll need for my comfy work from home job
I see WFM as a temporary transition phase before the complete switcharoo over to AI. They're getting corporate infrastructures in place to just enter workloads into computers and retrieve the output. Currently that work gets done remotely by god knows who living god knows where, eventually it'll just be done remotely by some AI-as-a-service cloud shit.
Let's take it step further and make breathing concrete dust mandatory in all workplaces. It's immoral to work in nice offices when you rely on people working in hazardous environments.
t. former tradie, now wfh
>be entrepreneur >get your company acquired by Twitter >instead of being paid in stock or a lump sum, ask to get paid in an annual salary >get put on an internal 'do-not-fire' list and work remotely in your home country of Iceland >get fired and mocked by Elon as a lazy WFH leech >he gets told by his lawyer he would have to give you a huge fricking payout now >"no no no no no, you're not fired bro, it was just a joke, I got all the wrong information about you bro, I'm sorry"
Your fascination with this moron and your constant search for a father figure are revolting and unethical. You're too old and fat to be seeking a masculine role model like an 8 year old child.
I need to take 3 trains and 1 plane to show up at my office, resulting in almost 2 full wasted days per trip. Going there more than once a month would be detrimental. Yet they insist I go once in a while for team bonding (I don't even work much while there)
I can WFH 5 days a week but I choose to go into the office instead.
Why? So the executives see me around and thus think I'm doing actual work, then whenever I ask for a generous payrise it will gladly be given as I'm a valued asset of the company.
In reality the only reason I dress up and go into the office is so I can mog other wagies with my superior sense of formal fashion and get mires from all the qt asian OL interns/grads.
Then I just sit around drinking tea until I decide to go for lunch, then walk around the city mogging more wagies (especially pleb blue collar wagies I love to mog them, walk straight towards them and make them get out of my way lmao) and get even more mires from qt asian girls, for 2-3 hours depending.
Then I'll go back to the office and do a little bit of work, but across the entire day it's less than an hour of actual work.
I do all this while looking 10x more productive than WFH losers and larping as Patrick Bateman.
WFH coomers who live in filth will never be as based as me. I consider you all to be less than human. No, scratch that, you're all human, but I'm a literal God.
>redditspacer >deleted and resposted for no good reason >obviously wants this to be a pasta or a meme screenshot >couldn't help inserting his yellow fever into his fantasy
0/10 even techlead makes better bait than this
I made spelling mistakes kek
But seethe because I wear prada and hugo to work while you wear your filthy cum stained pajama pants that are 2 sizes too small.
WFH Black folk are the first to get chopped during cut backs.
>whenever I ask for a generous payrise it will gladly be given
You have no fricking idea you would need to payrise me to get me out of WFH.
It's literally one of the biggest life improvements a raise can't buy.
I currently am at $500k tc wfh at a remote company and to rto at X in the shittiest part of SF with 7% interest rates (my current is 3%) I would need AT LEAST $1M.
hahahaha boomers and neo-boomers like musk keep thinking they can go back to a pre-covid work environment. guess what, shitheads: you can never go back! also all stores must offer curbside or delivery forever now. welcome to the future morons, you brought this on yourselves
We need another fake pandemic, I miss lockdowns. It was so comfy. 2 more weeks, please... just to flatten the curve guys... everybody stay home just a little longer
I'm fine with coming into the office but then I'll only have the energy to work a dogshit office job 20 hours a week in total which doesn't correspond to a living wage meaning I will not work for you and would rather go pick up a physical warehouse job or something.
I WFH and think everyone who isn't doing something that requires physical presence like installing pipes should be given the option. It's a win for the employee because no commute times, and it's a win for the employer because they don't need to rent as much office space.
No, it's a loss for the employer because it's lost productivity. You won't get away with playing video games at the office when you know the big boss is around.
There is, which is why bosses have started cracking the whip and mandating on-site days where I am. Too many useless WFH people and the gravy train is about to stop very soon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>which is why bosses have started cracking the whip
Most managers are unnecessary, they mostly add negative value to the company.
They need the office because they need office politics to keep their role. Do you really think that one guy who is friends with the CEO or the 80IQ Bimbo would keep their job if WFH stayed the standard?
3 months ago
Anonymous
My manager is literally useless, he's afk most of the time and only exists to give me a performance review every now and then.
When I used to go to the office me and the other swes would play smash/ ping pong for at least 2-3 hours a day. Sorry your job sucks. Misery enjoys company.
>You won't get away with playing video games at the office when you know the big boss is around.
lol you've never actually worked an office job have you
Really there should be one of two laws implemented (ideally both) >adjustable tax rate depending on the percentage of man-hours that can be WFH but aren’t >a requirement that companies that require RTO provide a company car or per-mileage reimbursement to every employee
This would be done under the guise of muh climate change, of course, but everyone knows what the real reason is
The only people who oppose WFH are the ones that lose all their usefulness if the "managing people" is no longer an option and somehow people continue to work without them.
Crazy how people like him, Bezos, Zuckerberg live in a country where the vast majority of the population wants to kill them for their crimes, and they just assume the state will be able to protect them forever. Usually doesn't stay that way for long.
>the population wants to kill them for their crimes
What crimes, anon? I think you're delusional, most people don't give two fricks about these dudes.
Bezos' greatest crime was cheating on his qt wife with that goblina tho, he does deserve the death sentence for that.
Helldesk is phone service. My geographical positions adds zero value to the service. The cashier on the supermarket bags my groceries while I flirt with her.
wait, elon said that? he hates the woke leftists so I have to agree with everything he says, I have no choice but to go back to the office because I have no self respect
1. I take less space on the road. Millions like me alleviate traffic jams.
2. It is immoral to waste energy on transport (even with an electric car powered by nuclear) just to sit in a desk and have online meetings with people in other continents. I also spend less energy at home as I only heat one room and I keep the temperature quite low to the point I need to wear two layers, as opposed to the office where I have to wear a short sleeved shirt just not to sweat. They heat huge halls and meeting rooms.
3. Most people used to work from home for most of human history after the agricultural revolution - smiths, fletchers, tanners, bakers, tailors, they all had shops basically on their porch or the bottom part of their house. Even farmers spent half the year inside their houses. The vast majority of female basically worked from home all the time (yes, actual labor other than raising kids - any chore you can think of today took some effort back then).
4. Frick you in the ass c**t.
>Most people used to work from home for most of human history
this is actually a great point. we've been psyop'ed into commuting hours everyday to great distances after the industrial revolution that this seems almost foreign to us
There seem to be many reasons they want people back in the office, examples include:
>higher-ups being narcissists and social parasites who crave company to feed on >neurotic micro-managing control freaks desiring someone to latch onto >late 20s to middle-aged females who need social interaction in 90% or more of their lives or they'll 'literally die' >Power business men/women with families that they've realized they can't stand for more than 2 weeks straight.
People like this are common in higher business positions for the same reason psychopaths and sociopaths are common in CEO/political positions. You'd have to be mentally or emotionally damaged in order to be drawn to, thrive, and survive in these positions. I say let people stay home because WFH provides an opportunity to ease this absolutely fricked work/life balance tilt we've been subjugated to and (if you're smart enough) take it as a chance to build skills in better career fields so you can escape the hell that is working for someone else. Pic absolutely related.
>I say let people stay home because WFH provides an opportunity to ease this absolutely fricked work/life balance tilt we've been subjugated to
This pretty much.
So I should go to the office in solidarity with the people who can't work from home?
Should I also work 12 hour shifts in solidarity with the people who have to work 12 hour shifts? Perhaps I should also accept minimum wage instead of being "an entitled brat"?
>billionaire whose social circle owns office buildings want people to return to office so that their investments don't lose value
Shocker. Billionaire sociopaths can go frick themselves.
I'll return to office once I see the fricking CEO psycopaths also work in free-seating open-office bullshit instead of being comfy in their huge own private office.
There's nothing immoral about working from home. If your job can be done remotely, why not? Who cares about one man's opinion? Ironically, Mr. Futurist needs to get with the times.
Richgays say WFH isn't fair because everybody can't do it. But then is their salary fair? Not even is getting paid the same. Why don't they care about the fairness of that? It's almost like they only care about fairness when it benefits them...
If it's knowledge work and doesn't deal with special instruments, hardware then it doesn't need physical presence. It's just a bullshit from managers, because they are too bad at remote and asynchronous work (skill issue), are power hungry or need "their social fix" (which is bullshit). Fricking boomers.
Musk has been having a breakdown over this for months because he no longer has access to the best engineers since they all now work from home and aren't going back.
I'm a manager, and I actively promote doing the minimum possible, so long as we stay under the radar. There's no incentive to go above and beyond, the better solution is to slowly condition leadership to a gredual increase in mediocrity, until they're happy anything gets done at all. My home is paid for, I own my car, the job is nice, but go ahead and fire me, I'll take half the team with me to the next job.
I put myself in debt to go to college to learn desirable skills. This should give me advantages. I will not make as much a lawyer. My job security will never be as good as a doctor. There are benefits and there are tradeoffs. I can effectively do my job from home (where I’m working with a group of people spread across the world anyway).
The real reason they want people back into the office is real estate value of offices and appeasement of shareholders. That’s it. That’s all it is.
I worked from an office (a REAL office, with a window and door I can shut AND lock) for 5 years and then WFH for 5 years.
Here's my analysis:
>be officegay >drink a minimum of 3 bottles of Pure Leaf Unsweetened tea from the fridge per day >catered lunch free erryday >keep my office door 75% closed, blinds drawn and lights off for maximum cavedweller accommodation >3 large monitors and a nice big desk, all paid for and not taking up room in my house
>be me now, WFHgay >sweatpants every day, wake up 3 seconds before work and still be on time >be late whenever I want for any reason including no reason and nobody notices or cares >still keep lights off, CAVEMAXXX harder than ever >slack emojis >have all my own appliances to make whatever I want for lunch, can use my own teaware for tea without having to keep stocked at work too >DESIGNATED SHITTING TOILET for my exclusive use. >seriously I fricking HATED using even semi-public restrooms >you would have to pay me a hell of a lot to go back into an office and have to have anyone else's shit particles ANYWHERE near my scent receptors >one downside is I did buy a larger house explicitly to have a 5th bedroom to use for an office in the basement. But also I can decorate my space however I want with nobody trying to police my shit
I kinda miss being able to burdenmaxxx drinking all their teas but pure leaf is shit anyway, I only drink Adagio's Golden Monkey now. I seriously wonder if the office supply managing girls were like "wow that 1 guy left and now we go through tea like 20x slower".
Productivity-wise, I find how moronic the company is about process (like draconian code review meta game bullshit and having 50 different autists review all specs making different autistic nitpicks and taking any opportunity to obstruct, brag or otherwise be annoying) or being fricktarded about product direction (PMs making us spend time on features literally nobody is going to use. I spent 6 months working on a system because our PM thought it was going to be big. Then he quit, nobody ever used the thing and I might as well have spent all those 6 months jacking off rather than trying to be useful.) I think I'm going to look for a staff engineer position at my next company, at a place where staff engineers get to actually have some say in architecture and product direction. Even staff engineers at my current place are just seniors that the director of engineering likes, and don't functionally do anything different or have any extra responsibility or ownership. I want to be given a business problem and then told to go solve it, with fricking nobody trying to interject their autistic opinions into my shit unless I ask for them.
i've been ordering grocery delivery since 2005 because it was literally cheaper than the local stores. i have no idea why it's cheaper but it is.
i've got nothing against going to the store but the store's just crap product selection so i dont buy from it
I'm convinced nobody doing this WFH shit is actually a productive member of society. You don't have a job. You are useless and society just gives you small tasks to keep you complacent at home.
bunch of skinny seattle programmer gays who cant change their oil or defend their wives.
millions of people go out into the world each day and produce tangible results building infrastructure, farming, transporting goods across the ocean, etc.
WFH gays stare at a computer and fill out bureaucratic paperwork.
I'm WFH and I do maybe MAYBE about an hour of actual work every week, but all the morons who work in office are so fricking incompetent that it still looks like I do more work than them so I get treated like a rockstar and everyone is happy. If I'm a lazy sack of shit but I still get more done than the people who are actually trying all day, then who's the productive one?
Everyone in the office does even less than that, but the moron managers see people sitting at desks and basically larp as an actual productive organization.
Everyone in the office does even less than that, but the moron managers see people sitting at desks and basically larp as an actual productive organization.
exactly
Is it 1940 again? Most jobs in the west are service jobs moron. Maybe 10% of the population does what 90 IQ boomers like you think of as "real" work.
>I'm convinced nobody doing this WFH shit is actually a productive member of society.
I wfh and guarantee I make more money than you, why would anyone pay me if I wasn't adding value? >You don't have a job. You are useless and society just gives you small tasks to keep you complacent at home.
Sounds like cope from a clueless blue-collar moron >bunch of skinny seattle programmer gays who cant change their oil or defend their wives.
Almost every day during work hours I'll lift weights, tend to the garden or do some diy, and have sex with my wfh wife.
My life as a wfh employee is unfathomably good, please continue seething about it.
actually i think WFH should be the new standard bbut you should also be legally required to own a computer that is ONLY for work and cannot be used for ANTHNG else if you want a computer for other things buy a seecond one
>legally required
Why? If the company isn't fully moronic they'll buy you a work machine so they don't have to deal with every moron downloading ransomware onto the company network while looking for porn.
>he thinks i roll out of bed at 8:59AM >he thinks i roll out of bed >he thinks i know what hours correspond to company time >he thinks i even remember the name of the company that i work for
there are many joys of wfh. but my favourite aspect is quite hard to explain.
It all begins, when it starts to dawn on normie wagies that wfh neets might, just might, quite possibly, as outlandish as it may be to claim, are infact... not working.
and in their small wagie brains, they start ruminating how that might look: "Oh, he's probably watching youtube in another window", "i bet hes got no pants on", "doing his shopping on company time"...
when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity. I am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning, and that's it. that's my work day. at no point during the rest of the day do i open the lid of my laptop.
the beauty of it, is that it is literally not within the ability of a wagies brain to comprehend this reality, anymore than that of a bird comprehending the C programming language. it is qualitatively, physically, objectively, impossible. but, unlike the bird, the wagie is not deterred, and in their quant little wagie brains they fantasize and try to image, as they may, what nefarious schemes those cheeky wfh neets are up to.
>he thinks i roll out of bed at 8:59AM >he thinks i roll out of bed >he thinks i know what hours correspond to company time >he thinks i even remember the name of the company that i work for
there are many joys of wfh. but my favourite aspect is quite hard to explain.
It all begins, when it starts to dawn on normie wagies that wfh neets might, just might, quite possibly, as outlandish as it may be to claim, are infact... not working.
and in their small wagie brains, they start ruminating how that might look: "Oh, he's probably watching youtube in another window", "i bet hes got no pants on", "doing his shopping on company time"...
when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity. I am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning, and that's it. that's my work day. at no point during the rest of the day do i open the lid of my laptop.
the beauty of it, is that it is literally not within the ability of a wagies brain to comprehend this reality, anymore than that of a bird comprehending the C programming language. it is qualitatively, physically, objectively, impossible. but, unlike the bird, the wagie is not deterred, and in their quant little wagie brains they fantasize and try to image, as they may, what nefarious schemes those cheeky wfh neets are up to.
Never. The rich can sell off their shitty office buildings for use as cheap housing. Not that anyone will want to live packed in like sardines if they don’t have to
I'll be honest lads, I'll fricking kill myself before ever working in an office again. The damage it has done to my soul is a price that is no longer worth.
pill me anons. i've been neet for about 3 years and about to start looking for work again. is the grass simply greener on the other side? living with family is a weight on the spirit that slowly mills you into dust.
>i've been neet for about 3 years and about to start looking for work again
oh boy... you're in for a ride, anon. good luck.
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it's cool i already sent out like 1000 applications over the course of a year and never got hired last time i tried after getting my degree (biochemistry lmfao) and thats how i wound up neet in the first place so im prepared to die
My commute is a leasurely 20min bike ride instead of getting stuck in traffic, and I don't have the space at home to dedicate an entire room just for work stuff.
I don't have micromanaging bosses or chatty co-workers.
I also don't like to work at the desk where my personal computer is at, so I go to the office every day even though I could WFH everyday if I wanted to.
I stay home when the weathers really really bad though.
Look
Basically I'm just not gonna do it (RTO!!)
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know..... UGH I know.....
It's just that I'm never going back to the office is all!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
no one does that though
Sorry chuds, but the days of rolling out of bed at 8:59AM are over. The bosses have caught on to the fact that you're jacking off on company time.
>he think I wasn't jacking off in the office
oh no no no
>he thinks i roll out of bed at 8:59AM
>he thinks i roll out of bed
>he thinks i know what hours correspond to company time
>he thinks i even remember the name of the company that i work for
there are many joys of wfh. but my favourite aspect is quite hard to explain.
It all begins, when it starts to dawn on normie wagies that wfh neets might, just might, quite possibly, as outlandish as it may be to claim, are infact... not working.
and in their small wagie brains, they start ruminating how that might look: "Oh, he's probably watching youtube in another window", "i bet hes got no pants on", "doing his shopping on company time"...
when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity. I am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning, and that's it. that's my work day. at no point during the rest of the day do i open the lid of my laptop.
the beauty of it, is that it is literally not within the ability of a wagies brain to comprehend this reality, anymore than that of a bird comprehending the C programming language. it is qualitatively, physically, objectively, impossible. but, unlike the bird, the wagie is not deterred, and in their quant little wagie brains they fantasize and try to image, as they may, what nefarious schemes those cheeky wfh neets are up to.
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A man of class
>babe wake up new pasta just dropped
Incomprehensibly based
holy
I kneel
That is an incredibly based pasta. Saved, checked, keked, and rekt
The actual amount of even physical labor is typically much less than work hours.
you're not a wfh neet, you're just a neet
>am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning,
in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week, you're not attending impromptu meetings and you're ignoring everyone's calls/messages. You wouldn't last a day in a real wfh job
>in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week
>he doesn't have a mouse jiggler
Anon, I...
I thought they had ways to detect that now, even if it's hardware
>use web version of teams on firefox
>it has no way to detect mouse activity when unfocused
>rely on this accurate technical fact as defense if questioned
Problem?
>boss orders you to install and use the shitty teams spyware electron app
now what
>in the real world the boss notices that your Teams bubble hasn't been green in over a week, you're not attending impromptu meetings and you're ignoring everyone's calls/messages. You wouldn't last a day in a real wfh job
NTA, but I can tell you that a coworker on my team of night-shift network admins who stopped working beyond signing in, it took 3 months for them to get canned - and that was only after he was working solo when a huge outage occurred and he was the break in the chain of escalation.
Naturally a lot of the delay in this case was from lacking assignments with deadlines - outside of changes we're basically technical nightwatches.
But there is a truth that WFH encourages the kind of "out of sight, out of mind" mentality which befits anons. Color in the lines and have a manager that cares about your utility over your persona (low office politics), and you can have a boring but relatively low-bullshit job.
t. autist with SPD who spends their summer shifts on the covered patio
Holy based
Lmao seethe
>when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity
Once my neighbor moronicly started a wildfire and I went there to help him put it out. On company time.
I worked in a company for 3 years and never knew the name of any of my bosses besides my direct supervisor kek
I once attended a bootycall on company time
Same, getting a bj in company time has to be one of the best feelings in the world
holy frick anon
anon.
ANON.
ANON IM GOING TO C-CUH-CUH~~~~
NNNNYYAAAAA IM CUHMINGGGG!!
o-oops. sorry :3 u jus made me so happi ;3
HOLY
Jannies status: Jealous
THIS IS THE LIFE OF THE SIX FIGURE IQfy MODERATOR.
SUCK MY DICK HIROSHIMOOT/DISNEY
thank you anon
t. 2 minor commits in 4 months
>boot licker mods ban based neet
This is the true face of autism. Emotionless husks who've handed over their humanity to their corporate overlords for pennies a day.
lrn2read anon
apologize anon. you can still make it right.
same i sleep through/miss meetings all the time. never use alarm clocks. 4 hours of work a week at most. i don't do anything but drink/smoke/fap. coworkers love and praise me
I did this for four years and eventually got fired for literally not doing anything.
I have a giant stash of money and somewhere to live rent free now.
mods are alright sometimes
That's a lie. They only posted that for an ego boost.
I'm a WFH programmer and I will never go back to commuting.
I kneel, and I can only hope to achieve such levels of do-nothingness at my job. My guess is that you work for the federal government?
I'm in awe if he works for the US government and can't remember the name of the place he works at. Truly kneeling at that point.
Jannies actually recognizing good posts? I daresay it's time they got a raise
if you work from home you are not a neet cause you are still employed
>desperate janny compares himself to based WFHer
You work from home... FOR NO PAY
It's like a valet bragging that they drive a Ferrari. Jannies are something else I tell ya.
this is what i do
>wake up at 8:59am
>roll over and turn laptop on and join teams call 5 minutes late
>give my update on work done yesterday (make up some bullshit about training)
>teams call over
>go back to sleep until noon
>make lunch
>go for swim if it's warm out or jump on my treadmill when it's cold
>check teams around 3pm and answer anything that comes through (5-10 minutes)
>catch up on whatever show I'm watching (just started the Sopranos)
>log off at 5pm
mommmmmm, im done!!!!! wipes!!!! im checking emails.
Please don't ruing WFH for the rest of us.
Truly inspirational
this man is like a reverse janny, he doesn't work and gets paid
put me in the screenshot
>rolling out of bed at 8:59AM
Do amerimuts really? In germany you usually get up at 5am and work starts at 6am, some even earlier.
No. It's an east/west coast US thing. West is earlier, and a lot of engineers work a 6AM-3PM shift on West coast. Midwest, 7-4PM is common. A 9AM start is late by any measure, which is sort of the point of that post.
Why do they call it 9 to 5 then?
This. I'm a night owl and having to get up at 8:30 is torture.
you also actually take holidays and your work doesnt expect you to stay till 11 pm every night and work weekends
A lot of those complainers don't know what they are talking about. They assume Europe=Greece as far as working. They're dumb midwits.
I'm German and i have flexible work hours. I could start at 6am as you say, but frick that shit, I like sleeping in, so I usually start work around 8am. Sometimes a little earlier if I feel like it though.
You haven't heard of a 9 to 5?
>In germany you usually get up at 5am and work starts at 6am, some even earlier.
how the frick do night owls even survive in Germany? 9am work is already barely manageable for me, that sounds horrible
I don't see many people talking about the unpaid over time. I start my day around 9. But I usually finish work around 6. Not including extra hours I do on Sunday to get updates from our Indian team. Or the unpaid oncall work we do in nearly all technology jobs. You hear laborers moaning about dragging their asses to work at 7. You don't hear them moaning because they get ~$500 a week in untaxable (and largely unverified) mileage reimbursement. I know because I used to drive to customer sites to work on equipment.
I get up at 9AM and begin working at 10AM
t. spanish
This is basically how it works in the rest of the civilized world. Ignore the gercuck
>spanish
considering your clocks are more than an hour further ahead than what they should be that doesn't really surprise me.
That's just waking up at 8 and starting work at 9 in places that have a timezone appropriate for their location.
boss makes a dollar
i make a dime
thats why i shit
on company time!
Last office job I worked at (some 3+ year ago) there was a guy nicknamed "jerkoff". You can guess why.
for me, it's 9:59AM, unless I decide to just turn off the alarm and go back to sleep.
>friend of mine lives a lone while studying to get his CS degree.
>works with a Canadian company and gets 3K€ a month writing Critical software like drivers for aeroplanes.
The average wage of my parents is 1.7Κ€. And we are considered middle class.
Along with that we all live relatively rurally in the outskirts of a small city-town.(this place is green and you can take nice long walks)
So yeah! I actually think work from home GREAT!
IN FACT I WOULD ARGUE: PAY ME LESS! Than your average office employee, pay me half his wage so that I can work from the comfort of my rural town.
Personally I always wake up at 6AM on my own. Never needed a clock or anything.
Nothing I hate more than low IQ morons and minorities who take advantage of situations to force people who actually work regardless of being at home or in the office to come in and work. I was more productive at home than I was at the office so they just let me continue work from home. Since then, I've had 2 or 3 other people try to force me to come into the office or cause other issues for me that ultimately ends up with me telling them if I can't work from home I'll resign immediately and them then letting me continue to work from home.
every person who wfh and constantly orders doordash and grocery delivery, and who relies on their electricity continuing to work and clean water coming out of the faucet, does that
we don't think that, your employer and common sense does. fight your employer to pay you for time used for commuting and other related shit, not the customers.
>fight your employer
the only answer
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s4
>your employer
I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
and like all WFH people you have a bizarrely haughty and ungracious attitude about this (which is a large part of why WFH is being slowly taken away btw)
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
>you should have to suffer because I do
This is the most boomer post itt
for the third time: I am not working one of those jobs. in fact I am a species even lower than either the WFH programmer OR the Doordasher: an unemployed mentally ill neet on welfare
I'm just able to recognized an entitled shithead when I see one. the fact that the only reason you can imagine that someone might be disgusted by your attitude is that they're one of your servants is pretty telling
>I'm just able to recognized an entitled shithead when I see one
You don't recognize shit or understand how the modern world works. Construction workers wouldn't be doing shit without the architects and engineers who sit at their desks (and can do so from home) and every low level worker at a factory is only working at all because programmers and IT are keeping the machines running (and can do so from home). The modern world does not need this outdated boomer thinking of yours just like we don't need a bloated management class who know nothing about the disciplines of the people they manage.
Capitalist boomers live in a cartoon world, and their concepts of good and evil are beyond warped. Up is down, black is white. They use religious language and reinforcement to shame others, but it's to reinforce evil shit. They think they're actual moral by shitting on poor people, driving people to stress and early graves, firing them at the flick of a switch to save a penny, outright conning, no regulating and chaos in the world, etc.. Just pick any subject and it's some fricked up inversion of what's actually humane and decent.
how much extra do you pay the impoverished doordasher slaves who bring you all your meals, fatty?
I'm 6'4" 200. I shop and cook myself. Just because I'm chilling doesn't mean I'm chilling on the things that matter. It's just that people like you specifically don't matter. Nothing to do with neglecting my own self.
This
Projection
You're an imbecile and a hypocrite
Now go back to China to kiss the feet of the people who give you your cheap gadgets
Schizo post, that made zero sense as a reply to the comment you tagged.
You're simply another moron.
>just understand that your cushy western lifestyle relies on tens of thousands of non-western people enjoying substandard existences in order to support the weight of your existence, so you can LARP as an holier-than-thou imbecile
>showing up
and they get paid to do so, what is your point? People spending money is good for the economy.
you blame people who get to WFH for a bad attitude while this just smells like sour grapes to a mile away. I haven't seen wfh people make threads rubbing it into commutegays faces, why does this thread even exist?
>I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
Strictly speaking, a software development firm could be run entirely by people working from home. Not just the programmers, but the marketing and accounting departments, everyone in charge of business decisions. No one is physically assembling a product together, and anything that involves two people talking together can be done via a phone call, or over any number of communication apps.
Retail and manufacturing jobs require nearly everyone working at them to be available in person, but all corporate offices could be deleted from existence, and it would not negatively impact productivity.
NTA, but this doesn't really seem relevant to his point, which isn't about logistics, but about the imperiousness and ingratitude of the WFH class.
Gratitude to what? Companies should be glad people are making them millions and billions of dollars. Frick off with your slave morality.
>slave morality
Ohh shit we got a true Nietzschean uberman over here. Can I suck your dick?
Not until you wash your mouth out from sucking your bosses'
I'll let you do it remotely.
The post I was responding to was making the claim that WFH requires tons of other people physically showing up to their jobs. While it is true that you do need other people in other companies showing up to their jobs, your own company may require zero. Why should any company enforce a policy on their own workers based on what other companies are doing?
You're simply braindead.
911 operators are ungrateful as frick, they should go physically meet the people asking them for help in order to pay cult to the rest of the economy.
I dunno. You don't have to care, but I do think the perception that too many WFH people act like we consider ourselves superior beings has contributed to the gradual rollback of WFH in the last year or so. Feelings and status matter to normal people.
IQfy is not normal society, no one cares except morons like musk
post bank account balance
~90k
>I do think the perception that too many WFH people act like we consider ourselves superior beings has contributed to the gradual rollback of WFH in the last year or so. Feelings and status matter to normal people.
I disagree with the former but due to the latter.
More simply, if a worker who commutes perceives that you do not have to commute to work, and they would prefer that themselves but don't readily have the means or will, and you have no status in their eyes that justifies it implicitly, many would take that alone as a slight and justify the feeling.
And the darndest thing is that if you went up to that person and offered to have them hang out while you work and literally job shadow to pick up the skills - they're almost always uninterested or take it derisively. I offer every time the point comes up, and especially with the older folks it's more that, from their perspective, if I have this opportunity it is loathsome to either not commit myself to the company or a family. No one likes idle hands unless they're idling for them.
Class doesn't exist in America which is most of the people itt talking about wfh. I know people don't agree with that. But the truth is that skilled labor in white collar and blue collar jobs can make $100k/yr for a four year degree or less, in most parts of the country, and 40-50 hour work week. It isn't class. It isn't white collar-blue collar. It's skilled vs unskilled labor. There are just as many unskilled white collar jobs as blue collar if not more.
Extremely Black persondly post
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
That's right, hundreds of people have steady incomes because I WFH. You're welcome.
they chose jobs that require physical presence. A lot of them like it. Office work doesn't require this. A lot of office drones are actually moronic enough to prefer it to wfh. Office drones who like physical jobs cause they have no friends should frick off and get a physical job instead of dragging everyone else into their bullshit. Blue collar workers who want to be at home should frick off and get a wfh job instead of seething with envy.
>Office drones who like physical jobs cause they have no friends
You really cracked the case here. Office gays are just lonely losers who want to use work as a substitute for the social life they lack and they are intent on bringing everyone down with them.
My social life has only flourished with WFH as I have more time to spend with my friends and family. Coworkers are NOT your friends and in 99% of cases can be acquaintances that you go have a beer with every now and then at most.
>your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
And working from an office doesn't? Do office jobs not require electricity or something?
look at all those (You)s, this is apparently amazing bait even if you didn't intend it as such
gonna have to remember to keep this in my back pocket
>ungracious
We already have a universal form of showing gratitude. Money. People are grateful to the deliveryman bringing them food. By paying them.
money is a measure of obligation, not of gratitude
People working in an office also use water and electricity and they live their entire lives without a single thought of the people who have to work in plants to provide utilities. And the people providing utilities rely on products made by slaves, whom they also go their entire lives without thinking about even once. There is absolutely zero difference. You're so fricking stupid, I want to kill you so badly right now, I want to send you straight to hell for all eternity, anon.
>I want to kill you so badly right now
most mentally stable WFHer
Thank you for your service.
there's no service, in fact if you're employed you're paying for me to be a neet
>I don't work any of those jobs moron, I just understand that your cushy WFH lifestyle relies on hundreds of people physically showing up to their jobs in order to support the weight of your existence
And I should care why? That's like saying that since there are starving children in Africa that I should starve myself too.
You're comparing physical jobs to information jobs, why? How would you suggest a plumber do remote work? You have to be there to turn the wrench.
i can type from your mom's bedroom while I frick her, so I will do exactly that.
Yeah bro, why can't they let doordash workers, construction workers, and water, elec provider workers all work from home too
if your job can be done from home you should be able to work from home. If it can't well obviously you can't. Elon's job is to shitpost on twatter all day, do coke and frick premium prostitutes, all from the comfort of his home. Yet he wants his office drones who can do everything on a laptop to commute (something he's never done in his entire life) to work in the morning California traffic.
So my employer then? Office is powered by a single feed of electricity, everything is delivered by the supermarket's delivery service, and last time I checked there was a tap with running water people drank. By your metrics that's several sequential single points of failure for one workforce, but when we all work from home every single one of those SPoF's is diversified across every single employee.
I kneel
That's literally everyone including most of the people working blue collar jobs supporting the utilities you just mentioned. You're delusional if you don't think that tradesmen don't spend their money on bullshit like lolli and Funko pops too. That's half of where this moronic "aspirational middle class" comes from.
>some jobs, by their very nature, require workers to be physically on-site
>therefore we should make everyone else be warehoused for eight hours a day
???
seems cruel and spiteful
Most jobs on earth are not governed by Elmo Tusk. There are sites that track which companies promote WFH. Work for them.
Who the frick is Elon Musk?
Most successful African-American
ligma balls
israeli pedophile, fraud, extortioner, zogbot, darpa sex toy, ciasissy, basically
It's a new cologne by L'Oréal™®©
the creator of IQfy
you are morally bankrupt and a bootlicker
all it takes to realize who is worth keeping and who isn't, is to just see what happens if you fire that person. does the business crumble? no? then guess what. whether you WFH or not is up to them.
If there are jobs that require only knowledge, not physical presence, but you're required to be physically present anyway, what does it tell you?
It tells you that the job you are doing isn't really what it seems. It seems like they just want your knowledge, but the truth is, they want more, something that requires your presence.
What is it?
The truth is, the managers only got their position because of what they are. No what they know.
Did you know that tallness is positively correlated with wealth - strongly so?
Did you know that having an attractive face makes you more likely to be promoted?
Managers fear that all their unfair advantages get undermined if only your knowledge, not your genetics count.
The tall and handsome managers want their workers around them to physically mog them. They instinctively know that they will lose a huge chunk of their influence if everyone works from home. Nobody is impressed with your 6 foots and four inches in a VIDEO CALL.
To dominate people, you need them AROUND YOU.
WFH equalizes people. It brings the brightest, the hardest working to the top. Not the most attractive. This is a problem for those managers who got to enjoy their genetic privileges all their life, but suddenly, they find themselves deprived of their magic powers. No more sweet smiles from the hot secretary. No more looking down on your shorter subordinates. This is what the managers miss. They miss the implicit domination. It's a powerful drug and WFH denies them them this feeling. And there's fear and outrage and jealousy. That the short uggo might know more and works harder and is more intelligent. That now, where his height doesn't matter and he doesn't have to show his face, he gets acknowledged.
Elon misses this feeling when he enters a room and everyone looks at him.
>look, the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD is in the same room as me!
>WOW, it's really him!
1) You only need to see people once in a great while for the physical presence thing to kick in. One in person meeting is good for ~6-12 months
2) Attractive people still look better on video
3) Fat people still look fat (you forgot about the inverse correlation between being BMI and IQ/Income)
The importance of good managers is grossly understated.
Nobody knows how to organize shit because they are occupied with their legitimate tasks.
You're correct, but wasting your time here.
Most ppl just want to follow rules. The have zero agency given broad tasks, and don't understand what managers are supposed to be doing, or why, ergo don't understand why some ppl move up and others are left behind.
> Wife needs to find person to promote to sr. director, so she can move into VP Ops role.
> Going over the current candidates w/ her, only one of the 3 really seems to understand the concept of working out what to do with her direct reports in tackling unscoped objectives, after a year trying to coach up the 3.
> Most senior mgr, with most knowledge, isn't getting it, and would be a trainwreck as a sr. director... I note that promotion just amplifies bad habits and this mgr has a ton. She would make all her report's life hell. And she's going to be pissed when she gets passed over, and won't understand why
>ergo don't understand why some ppl move up and others are left behind.
Which is why it's hard to tell whether complaints are legit, and many times they are.
It's a like a teacher: do the students "hate" the teacher because he's a tyrant, or just because he's hard, but fair?
It's impossible to tell from the surface, but generally shit people have shit performance, and it all rolls downhill. If you find a bad / hard to work with org, chances are the entire thing is rotten up to some point in the org structure. That's why bad CEOs are particularly heinous. They can create an entire company of sociopaths.
> t. used to work at one.
I gave up, and do consulting now. I avoid BTO by just not being in client town, or 100pct utilization with anyone.
I believe this if only because I know the opposite is true, a bad manager can absolutely destroy a work environment, ruin a team and take a business from the top straight into the ground. I've left several jobs working for good companies that liked me because they promoted some worthless sack of horse shit into a manager position and I'd rather flip burgers or try my luck with unemployment than deal with them
>The importance of good managers is grossly understated
Its a shame they don't exist
This is unironically disgustingly true.
t. 6'2 and experienced the weird height bias people have
It's more along the lines of
>don't look at me don't look at me don't look at me please god have mercy I moved three states for this job don't look at me
The age of handsome tall chads is over. The time of the ugly manlet has come.
the truth is there are only a few scenarios in which physical presence makes sense.
For example writing code for hardware in some cases.
If we are writing code for a drone or something we need a lab where we can test it actively for example.
Or if we are testing cars or code for factory hardware.
But if I'm writing code for a web service we are developing then all we need is a chat group.
>Did you know that tallness is positively correlated with wealth - strongly so?
source?
so you want to see a pic of his ass? that's pretty gay anon
Not just Elon, all managers. They want to be admired and acknowledged and to impress.
It's a drug and WFH makes it impossible to get high again.
See, when aboss enters the room, the people under him know that he has power and the boss knows he is powerful. He doesn't want to know this, he wants to FEEL this.
This is why managers hate WFH.
It destroys their genetic priviledge and it denies them their power-drugs.
and WFH people feel this same superior way about people who deliver their food (as some are even admitting itt)
so they're no better
>NOOO I should've listened to Elon and went to the office NOOOOOO
Conjugate properly, pidoras. Nobody has enough patience for your incoherent horseshit anymore.
hell isnt real Black person
Make $225 cash + $275K public company RSUs at current price, quarterly vest, WFH remote first company, live waterfront, hot wife, kid on the way, get fricked RTO. AWS tried to get me to come in so I left for this job. 15 yoe great at leetcode thats all there is to it. I actually work 40 hours a week though maybe thats how I pull it off?
> if you WFH and think that others should physically show up to their jobs, you are morally bankrupt.
If your job requires you to show up to work, because you need to physically interact with something, you should show up to work. If you can WFH, you should. Those who work from home use less energy transporting themselves to and from work every day, and take up less space in corporate offices. By decreasing the amount of space dedicated to corporate offices within cities, we can instead dedicate more land in our cities to housing, green spaces (parks), and other businesses that do require people to work in person. Asking employees who are physically capable of accomplishing their tasks by working from home to instead come into the office on a regular basis is both inefficient and immoral.
That's another good point. Lots of waste of real estate that could use for better things.
its a good thought but those corporate offices are ran by big money CEOs who also never show up to the office and are far to busy "doing other things" usually related to side jobs
on another note most of these places that are pissed at WFH have already started hiring offshore work forces who will never step foot in the country they are working for and are entrusted with production tasks. further showing they really dont need you to be in the office, its a control thing
Yes others should suffer while I should stay winning.
>mfw post-corona full-time wfh job with no degree in 2k24
gigacomfy
how?
Got lucky, right place right time. My manager is based and works from home too. Pretty much all other teams had to go back to the office. The pay could be higher but I can move anywhere in the county and save on rent. I'll take a lower salary over slaving my life away commuting and sitting in the office trying to look busy.
excuse me I am a higher class citizen so please make sure you promptly show up to your job at the starbucks to make my coffee that I'll need for my comfy work from home job
work-from-home will be the first to be replaced by AI, after all, you're basically just an AI to your boss already
I see WFM as a temporary transition phase before the complete switcharoo over to AI. They're getting corporate infrastructures in place to just enter workloads into computers and retrieve the output. Currently that work gets done remotely by god knows who living god knows where, eventually it'll just be done remotely by some AI-as-a-service cloud shit.
i do not care what that moron thinks
Let's take it step further and make breathing concrete dust mandatory in all workplaces. It's immoral to work in nice offices when you rely on people working in hazardous environments.
t. former tradie, now wfh
>guy that owns car company wants you to travel to work
Amazing
>be entrepreneur
>get your company acquired by Twitter
>instead of being paid in stock or a lump sum, ask to get paid in an annual salary
>get put on an internal 'do-not-fire' list and work remotely in your home country of Iceland
>get fired and mocked by Elon as a lazy WFH leech
>he gets told by his lawyer he would have to give you a huge fricking payout now
>"no no no no no, you're not fired bro, it was just a joke, I got all the wrong information about you bro, I'm sorry"
He makes people randomly come to work at night if he feels things aren't going fast enough which is objectively more morally bankrupt
jewlon musk should be crucified
Your fascination with this moron and your constant search for a father figure are revolting and unethical. You're too old and fat to be seeking a masculine role model like an 8 year old child.
Nah, I think everyone should get to WFH.
I need to take 3 trains and 1 plane to show up at my office, resulting in almost 2 full wasted days per trip. Going there more than once a month would be detrimental. Yet they insist I go once in a while for team bonding (I don't even work much while there)
Commuting is *literally* killing the environment
WFH has saved tons of carbon emissions
cool it with the antisemitism there bub
I can WFH 5 days a week but I choose to go into the office instead.
Why? So the executives see me around and thus think I'm doing actual work, then whenever I ask for a generous payrise it will gladly be given as I'm a valued asset of the company.
In reality the only reason I dress up and go into the office is so I can mog other wagies with my superior sense of formal fashion and get mires from all the qt asian OL interns/grads.
Then I just sit around drinking tea until I decide to go for lunch, then walk around the city mogging more wagies (especially pleb blue collar wagies I love to mog them, walk straight towards them and make them get out of my way lmao) and get even more mires from qt asian girls, for 2-3 hours depending.
Then I'll go back to the office and do a little bit of work, but across the entire day it's less than an hour of actual work.
I do all this while looking 10x more productive than WFH losers and larping as Patrick Bateman.
WFH coomers who live in filth will never be as based as me. I consider you all to be less than human. No, scratch that, you're all human, but I'm a literal God.
>redditspacer
>deleted and resposted for no good reason
>obviously wants this to be a pasta or a meme screenshot
>couldn't help inserting his yellow fever into his fantasy
0/10 even techlead makes better bait than this
and yet you replied
I like giving pity (You)s to shitposters that try but fail
I made spelling mistakes kek
But seethe because I wear prada and hugo to work while you wear your filthy cum stained pajama pants that are 2 sizes too small.
WFH Black folk are the first to get chopped during cut backs.
You tell em goy. Your raise is coming any day now!
I larp as Bateman and you larp as CWC.
We are not the same.
>whenever I ask for a generous payrise it will gladly be given
You have no fricking idea you would need to payrise me to get me out of WFH.
It's literally one of the biggest life improvements a raise can't buy.
I currently am at $500k tc wfh at a remote company and to rto at X in the shittiest part of SF with 7% interest rates (my current is 3%) I would need AT LEAST $1M.
I'm just never going back, that's all. Frick off israelites
hahahaha boomers and neo-boomers like musk keep thinking they can go back to a pre-covid work environment. guess what, shitheads: you can never go back! also all stores must offer curbside or delivery forever now. welcome to the future morons, you brought this on yourselves
We need another fake pandemic, I miss lockdowns. It was so comfy. 2 more weeks, please... just to flatten the curve guys... everybody stay home just a little longer
I'm fine with coming into the office but then I'll only have the energy to work a dogshit office job 20 hours a week in total which doesn't correspond to a living wage meaning I will not work for you and would rather go pick up a physical warehouse job or something.
I WFH and think everyone who isn't doing something that requires physical presence like installing pipes should be given the option. It's a win for the employee because no commute times, and it's a win for the employer because they don't need to rent as much office space.
No, it's a loss for the employer because it's lost productivity. You won't get away with playing video games at the office when you know the big boss is around.
>No, it's a loss for the employer because it's lost productivity.
There's no measurable loss of productivity.
There is, which is why bosses have started cracking the whip and mandating on-site days where I am. Too many useless WFH people and the gravy train is about to stop very soon.
>which is why bosses have started cracking the whip
Most managers are unnecessary, they mostly add negative value to the company.
They need the office because they need office politics to keep their role. Do you really think that one guy who is friends with the CEO or the 80IQ Bimbo would keep their job if WFH stayed the standard?
My manager is literally useless, he's afk most of the time and only exists to give me a performance review every now and then.
When I used to go to the office me and the other swes would play smash/ ping pong for at least 2-3 hours a day. Sorry your job sucks. Misery enjoys company.
>You won't get away with playing video games at the office when you know the big boss is around.
lol you've never actually worked an office job have you
Really there should be one of two laws implemented (ideally both)
>adjustable tax rate depending on the percentage of man-hours that can be WFH but aren’t
>a requirement that companies that require RTO provide a company car or per-mileage reimbursement to every employee
This would be done under the guise of muh climate change, of course, but everyone knows what the real reason is
The only people who oppose WFH are the ones that lose all their usefulness if the "managing people" is no longer an option and somehow people continue to work without them.
>nocoder morons and boomers mad that people are making bank while basically doing nothing
this man is stupid as frick, the only people who still like him are either boomers or israelites
He is both
Crazy how people like him, Bezos, Zuckerberg live in a country where the vast majority of the population wants to kill them for their crimes, and they just assume the state will be able to protect them forever. Usually doesn't stay that way for long.
>the population wants to kill them for their crimes
What crimes, anon? I think you're delusional, most people don't give two fricks about these dudes.
Bezos' greatest crime was cheating on his qt wife with that goblina tho, he does deserve the death sentence for that.
>work from home
>jack off in the office
imagine
The goal is to slow down the companies/corporations from within so that China can catch up. New world order is a marxist dream being implemented.
Helldesk is phone service. My geographical positions adds zero value to the service. The cashier on the supermarket bags my groceries while I flirt with her.
wait, elon said that? he hates the woke leftists so I have to agree with everything he says, I have no choice but to go back to the office because I have no self respect
I'm sorry that we're not like you, bootlicker.
Wagie get back in the cagie!
WFH is good for everyone even Wagies that need to be physically present, it makes it so you have way less traffic commuting to and from work
i wish all of you were dead
>T. Wagie
cope
1. I take less space on the road. Millions like me alleviate traffic jams.
2. It is immoral to waste energy on transport (even with an electric car powered by nuclear) just to sit in a desk and have online meetings with people in other continents. I also spend less energy at home as I only heat one room and I keep the temperature quite low to the point I need to wear two layers, as opposed to the office where I have to wear a short sleeved shirt just not to sweat. They heat huge halls and meeting rooms.
3. Most people used to work from home for most of human history after the agricultural revolution - smiths, fletchers, tanners, bakers, tailors, they all had shops basically on their porch or the bottom part of their house. Even farmers spent half the year inside their houses. The vast majority of female basically worked from home all the time (yes, actual labor other than raising kids - any chore you can think of today took some effort back then).
4. Frick you in the ass c**t.
>Most people used to work from home for most of human history
this is actually a great point. we've been psyop'ed into commuting hours everyday to great distances after the industrial revolution that this seems almost foreign to us
There seem to be many reasons they want people back in the office, examples include:
>higher-ups being narcissists and social parasites who crave company to feed on
>neurotic micro-managing control freaks desiring someone to latch onto
>late 20s to middle-aged females who need social interaction in 90% or more of their lives or they'll 'literally die'
>Power business men/women with families that they've realized they can't stand for more than 2 weeks straight.
People like this are common in higher business positions for the same reason psychopaths and sociopaths are common in CEO/political positions. You'd have to be mentally or emotionally damaged in order to be drawn to, thrive, and survive in these positions. I say let people stay home because WFH provides an opportunity to ease this absolutely fricked work/life balance tilt we've been subjugated to and (if you're smart enough) take it as a chance to build skills in better career fields so you can escape the hell that is working for someone else. Pic absolutely related.
>I say let people stay home because WFH provides an opportunity to ease this absolutely fricked work/life balance tilt we've been subjugated to
This pretty much.
So I should go to the office in solidarity with the people who can't work from home?
Should I also work 12 hour shifts in solidarity with the people who have to work 12 hour shifts? Perhaps I should also accept minimum wage instead of being "an entitled brat"?
Frick off, c**t.
>billionaire whose social circle owns office buildings want people to return to office so that their investments don't lose value
Shocker. Billionaire sociopaths can go frick themselves.
I'll return to office once I see the fricking CEO psycopaths also work in free-seating open-office bullshit instead of being comfy in their huge own private office.
Black person
I will rto when he builds Hyperloop to take me there.
The "moderators" and their goons are the immoral ones in tech.
Morals are a spook.
Whatever. They're still trash "people" and would be better off turned into chum and used to bait sharks for tourism reasons.
There's nothing immoral about working from home. If your job can be done remotely, why not? Who cares about one man's opinion? Ironically, Mr. Futurist needs to get with the times.
Richgays say WFH isn't fair because everybody can't do it. But then is their salary fair? Not even is getting paid the same. Why don't they care about the fairness of that? It's almost like they only care about fairness when it benefits them...
If it's knowledge work and doesn't deal with special instruments, hardware then it doesn't need physical presence. It's just a bullshit from managers, because they are too bad at remote and asynchronous work (skill issue), are power hungry or need "their social fix" (which is bullshit). Fricking boomers.
>car manufacturer owner says that not commuting is bad
> Climate change is real and the greatest threat to humanity
> but you must continue commuting with your gas guzzlers
> also don't stop consooming
Musk has been having a breakdown over this for months because he no longer has access to the best engineers since they all now work from home and aren't going back.
I'm a manager, and I actively promote doing the minimum possible, so long as we stay under the radar. There's no incentive to go above and beyond, the better solution is to slowly condition leadership to a gredual increase in mediocrity, until they're happy anything gets done at all. My home is paid for, I own my car, the job is nice, but go ahead and fire me, I'll take half the team with me to the next job.
you are the hero your men need
I prefer the coziness of my home over a soulless corpo environment. Who wouldn't?
I put myself in debt to go to college to learn desirable skills. This should give me advantages. I will not make as much a lawyer. My job security will never be as good as a doctor. There are benefits and there are tradeoffs. I can effectively do my job from home (where I’m working with a group of people spread across the world anyway).
The real reason they want people back into the office is real estate value of offices and appeasement of shareholders. That’s it. That’s all it is.
I worked from an office (a REAL office, with a window and door I can shut AND lock) for 5 years and then WFH for 5 years.
Here's my analysis:
>be officegay
>drink a minimum of 3 bottles of Pure Leaf Unsweetened tea from the fridge per day
>catered lunch free erryday
>keep my office door 75% closed, blinds drawn and lights off for maximum cavedweller accommodation
>3 large monitors and a nice big desk, all paid for and not taking up room in my house
>be me now, WFHgay
>sweatpants every day, wake up 3 seconds before work and still be on time
>be late whenever I want for any reason including no reason and nobody notices or cares
>still keep lights off, CAVEMAXXX harder than ever
>slack emojis
>have all my own appliances to make whatever I want for lunch, can use my own teaware for tea without having to keep stocked at work too
>DESIGNATED SHITTING TOILET for my exclusive use.
>seriously I fricking HATED using even semi-public restrooms
>you would have to pay me a hell of a lot to go back into an office and have to have anyone else's shit particles ANYWHERE near my scent receptors
>one downside is I did buy a larger house explicitly to have a 5th bedroom to use for an office in the basement. But also I can decorate my space however I want with nobody trying to police my shit
I kinda miss being able to burdenmaxxx drinking all their teas but pure leaf is shit anyway, I only drink Adagio's Golden Monkey now. I seriously wonder if the office supply managing girls were like "wow that 1 guy left and now we go through tea like 20x slower".
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Productivity-wise, I find how moronic the company is about process (like draconian code review meta game bullshit and having 50 different autists review all specs making different autistic nitpicks and taking any opportunity to obstruct, brag or otherwise be annoying) or being fricktarded about product direction (PMs making us spend time on features literally nobody is going to use. I spent 6 months working on a system because our PM thought it was going to be big. Then he quit, nobody ever used the thing and I might as well have spent all those 6 months jacking off rather than trying to be useful.) I think I'm going to look for a staff engineer position at my next company, at a place where staff engineers get to actually have some say in architecture and product direction. Even staff engineers at my current place are just seniors that the director of engineering likes, and don't functionally do anything different or have any extra responsibility or ownership. I want to be given a business problem and then told to go solve it, with fricking nobody trying to interject their autistic opinions into my shit unless I ask for them.
>wow that 1 guy left and now we go through tea like 20x slower
Top kek, I wonder the same about my last job. But it was diet coke instead of tea.
i've been ordering grocery delivery since 2005 because it was literally cheaper than the local stores. i have no idea why it's cheaper but it is.
i've got nothing against going to the store but the store's just crap product selection so i dont buy from it
>if you WFH and think that others should physically show up to their jobs
I don't give a frick what other people do, why would I you moron?
I'm convinced nobody doing this WFH shit is actually a productive member of society. You don't have a job. You are useless and society just gives you small tasks to keep you complacent at home.
bunch of skinny seattle programmer gays who cant change their oil or defend their wives.
You sound like a Black person
millions of people go out into the world each day and produce tangible results building infrastructure, farming, transporting goods across the ocean, etc.
WFH gays stare at a computer and fill out bureaucratic paperwork.
Is it 1940 again? Most jobs in the west are service jobs moron. Maybe 10% of the population does what 90 IQ boomers like you think of as "real" work.
And I tend my garden on my wfh breaks.
I'm WFH and I do maybe MAYBE about an hour of actual work every week, but all the morons who work in office are so fricking incompetent that it still looks like I do more work than them so I get treated like a rockstar and everyone is happy. If I'm a lazy sack of shit but I still get more done than the people who are actually trying all day, then who's the productive one?
Everyone in the office does even less than that, but the moron managers see people sitting at desks and basically larp as an actual productive organization.
exactly
whatever makes you feel better man.
>I'm convinced nobody doing this WFH shit is actually a productive member of society.
I wfh and guarantee I make more money than you, why would anyone pay me if I wasn't adding value?
>You don't have a job. You are useless and society just gives you small tasks to keep you complacent at home.
Sounds like cope from a clueless blue-collar moron
>bunch of skinny seattle programmer gays who cant change their oil or defend their wives.
Almost every day during work hours I'll lift weights, tend to the garden or do some diy, and have sex with my wfh wife.
My life as a wfh employee is unfathomably good, please continue seething about it.
Musk is a fat deformed drug-addicted homosexual and he's going to die like a homosexual.
actually i think WFH should be the new standard bbut you should also be legally required to own a computer that is ONLY for work and cannot be used for ANTHNG else if you want a computer for other things buy a seecond one
>legally required
Why? If the company isn't fully moronic they'll buy you a work machine so they don't have to deal with every moron downloading ransomware onto the company network while looking for porn.
i work from home
today i slept for 8 hours while getting paid and watching webinars
did you buy a 1000 dollar phone?
no but i just bought some wet wipes since i have to travel at the end of the month and wont have my bidet
you should buy a 1000 dollar phone you deserve it not an apple though
my phone cost like $200 when i bought it 4 years ago. dont need a new one.
but 200 dollar phones are slow with shit battery life
nobody calls me. i barely use my phone
but you will be happy with an expensive phone
good morning to all wfh class citizens
>you are morally bankrupt.
yes, and?
>he thinks i roll out of bed at 8:59AM
>he thinks i roll out of bed
>he thinks i know what hours correspond to company time
>he thinks i even remember the name of the company that i work for
there are many joys of wfh. but my favourite aspect is quite hard to explain.
It all begins, when it starts to dawn on normie wagies that wfh neets might, just might, quite possibly, as outlandish as it may be to claim, are infact... not working.
and in their small wagie brains, they start ruminating how that might look: "Oh, he's probably watching youtube in another window", "i bet hes got no pants on", "doing his shopping on company time"...
when infact the reality is several orders of magnitude outside of their limits of creativity. I am literally not even at my desk. I spend a total of 30 seconds checking emails in the morning, and that's it. that's my work day. at no point during the rest of the day do i open the lid of my laptop.
the beauty of it, is that it is literally not within the ability of a wagies brain to comprehend this reality, anymore than that of a bird comprehending the C programming language. it is qualitatively, physically, objectively, impossible. but, unlike the bird, the wagie is not deterred, and in their quant little wagie brains they fantasize and try to image, as they may, what nefarious schemes those cheeky wfh neets are up to.
wtf are you doing?
don't they have copypasta on reddit?
I don't know, but you need to go back.
Never. The rich can sell off their shitty office buildings for use as cheap housing. Not that anyone will want to live packed in like sardines if they don’t have to
Elon runs factories and scientific labs, not sure what people he knows that even mentioned WFH to him? His opinion really isn't relevant.
i will never work in an office again
i rather be unemployed
never ever
lest we forget, brother.
I'll be honest lads, I'll fricking kill myself before ever working in an office again. The damage it has done to my soul is a price that is no longer worth.
pill me anons. i've been neet for about 3 years and about to start looking for work again. is the grass simply greener on the other side? living with family is a weight on the spirit that slowly mills you into dust.
>i've been neet for about 3 years and about to start looking for work again
oh boy... you're in for a ride, anon. good luck.
it's cool i already sent out like 1000 applications over the course of a year and never got hired last time i tried after getting my degree (biochemistry lmfao) and thats how i wound up neet in the first place so im prepared to die
My commute is a leasurely 20min bike ride instead of getting stuck in traffic, and I don't have the space at home to dedicate an entire room just for work stuff.
I don't have micromanaging bosses or chatty co-workers.
I also don't like to work at the desk where my personal computer is at, so I go to the office every day even though I could WFH everyday if I wanted to.
I stay home when the weathers really really bad though.
The guy b***hing about California taxes, is trying to run away to Texas and he wants people to "get off your work-from-home bullshit"
Mhmmm.... Elon get off the drugs bud.
I work customer service remotely and literally my entire day is spent taking calls. Elon should get his head out of his pasty slaver ass.
i refuse to work in an office
Reminder that my dick is not being sucked and Elon is falling behind in his duties
Look
Basically I'm just not gonna do it (RTO!!)
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know..... UGH I know.....
It's just that I'm never going back to the office is all!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.