When did Macedonian nationalism begin?

ancient macedonians weren't greeks and if they had survived the roman empire they would have opposed both romans and 'greeks' because they were fundamentally their own thing

if all slavs fricking got btfo'd one day and then 2000 years later some rapebabbies claimed they were slavs would that mean they get to inherit all slav history of all the states that ever were slav
that's 'modern greeks'

please leave the thread, this thread is about macedonia

>if they had survived the roman empire
It's literally the biggest mystery to me how they fell into irrelevance and completely disappeared just 200 years after Alexander

>ancient macedonians weren't greeks
Correct, they were Grecoids, not Slavs.

Nobody call themselves tuscans. The region is named after the etruscans, just like how macedonia is named after the ancient macedonians. There is no cultural or ethnic continuation between the ancient inhabitants and the modern ones.

There is
But monkeydonians do not inhabit the lands of ancient macedon

Wouldn't you have to suppose that only Greeks can compete in the Olympic games for it to be a meaningful distinction on your part? I'd argue Greek encompasses those who were involved thoroughly within the Peloponnesian war, as Macedon was still fledgling for a good portion of time after it. Ultimately Hellenic in my mind would derive those that draw their founding myths from The Odyssey & Iliad (it's where Hellene/Hellenic name comes from).

he asked for my opinion/analysis. If he wanted an academic rebuttal then he's on the wrong website. It's also a known fact that ONLY HELLENIC peoples could compete in the Olympic games

Hellenic culture echoed throughout Roman civilization, they were thoroughly Hellenic yet distinctly Roman at the same time. They're not the same thing

Because that's how the ancient Greeks themselves explicitly defined participation in the Olympics, for freeborn Greeks only, no non Greeks allowed.
>Ultimately Hellenic in my mind would derive those that draw their founding myths from The Odyssey & Iliad
As the Macedonians did. The Macedonians claimed their origin lay in the south of Greece on Argos, which is why Alexander's dynasty were called the Argeads, and they claimed Temenus as their progenitor. In this way the Argeads still traced their origin to the Peloponnesian war.
Within these parameters AT BEST you could argue Alexander and his family were Greeks ruling over Hellenised barbarians, but even that's flimsy.

I'd use "Hellenism" to describe the religion and "Greek" to describe the ethnic group to avoid any confusion and no I would not describe the Romans or Illyrians as Greek.
>Or is the Olympic games the true defining line of what is Greek and what isn't?
Nationality is a complex thing but I'd say the broad defining line is a combination language, customs and historical origin. The participants of the Olympics were already considered Greek before they were Olympians, it's just that their participation demonstrates that contemporary Greeks saw them as fellow Greeks and that they themselves identified as such.

Epidamnos was a Greek colony.

The Romans also called Scipio "the African" despite the fact he was from Rome and not even ethnically African. Unless there's some source on this guy's life story we can reasonably he's called that because he's from Illyria, namely a Greek colony in Illyria.