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Anglo/Germanic bias
Germanics are the ones who got raided to frick by Hungarians
Raided, never invaded or occupied unlike England and france by vikings
Until the Hungarians got buckbrocken by Otto the Great
They had a good run.
Fair enough, didnt know they made it all the way to spain.
How is that related to this thread?
huns and magyars were the same
>Germanics are the ones who got raided
Exactly, it would ruin Germanic's PR so they memory holed it
They lost. See also
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You mean relationship? Why would Germanics relate to Hungarians?
It's a form of schizophrenia, same nationalistic Hungarians think that old Hungarians weren't turkic steppe Black folks but Germanic tall blondes
I've never encountered this. are you sure you aren't just spewing leftist propaganda?
Same. I think you caught him
Dear samegay, what is leftist propaganda about claiming that Hungarians were Nordics? It's just a moronic statement, not israeli propaganda.
To be honest, some Swedish Nordicist believed the Aesir God's were Hunnic
Because most people look at WW1 and ask "Austria-Whogary" and "the Otto-who empire"? That would be their on ramp to learning about the fascinating history of the Balkans, but because we rarely cover it they see it as an aside to some philosophically German rise.
no one cares about the Slavs.
especially since the Hungarians understand that they are literally Slovaks and have nothing to do with the mysterious Mongoloid hordes.
High IQ Slavs learned Hungarian, moronic low IQ drotárs didn't
Because media, especially historical topics, is heavily influenced by romanticism from the 1800 where the norse culture and mythology recieved a lot of attention (thanks Wagner).
Most media still have an almost cartoonish depiction of vikings where everyone is a warrior and fights shirtless.
Wagner's norse pantheon aren't as heavy into the romanticism as the stuff that came after, though. His Thor is a homosexual, Oberon is an actual incel, Loki's still self aware, but that's how it is, and Siegfried is basically romanticist Goku to thotty Brunnhilde's Bulma.
Or at least, by romanticism I mean the Conan-Zelda style stuff.
Because who the frick cares about the Hungarians? At best they would be of mild importance to Germans, but completely irrelevant to everyone else in Western Europe.
The Hungarians are eclipsed by the Huns and Mongols and unlike the Vikings didn't anything important in relation to England.
Since when is England the center of the world?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IERS_Reference_Meridian
This one is funny and true.
This one is a cope. We don't speak English, we speak American. Something that won't stay relevant in the age of AI translations. Academic and business languages will return to everyone working in their native tongues very soon.
Since the English language became the global lingua franca and the great majority of the world's popular media is created in English by people of English cultural heritage. Did you somehow not notice the language we use here?
Way more people speak Chinese than English.
Chinese isn't a language, and they also don't.
Don't be deliberately moronic. Those speakers are concentrated in China. You'll find English fast more common globally.
NTA but that's wrong. I don't even have anything else to say except that is factually, statistically incorrect. English is by a great margin the most spoken language on Earth. Chinese isn't even the largest first language anymore, Indic languages like Hindi are
He means people not "people".
Cool, go to Chinese IQfy then?
Is there one? That actually sounds really interesting
nobody speak chinese, chinese isn't spoken, its barked
It seems you're forgetting (likely deliberately) a very, VERY important factor. The speakers of Chinese, whatever else are concentrated in one part of the world. English, meanwhile, is spoken across several cultures and nations.
English cope, "your" accomplishments are American.
I'm not English and American even dumbest moron will see that American is a divergence of English culture
>divergence: the process or state of diverging
>diverging: going in different directions
So we agree, it's not an English accomplishment.
No, we don't agree honestly. One could make a good argument the prevalence of English has its roots back to the Empire days, when 90% of the world's merchant fleet flew the red ensign and English was the language of international trade everywhere.
>good argument
No, it wouldn't. English dominance isn't because of the Empire, most speakers of English don't have it as an official language in their country. It's even easy to see how it was American media that spread it when most people find the British English funny sounding.
That's why plebs speak English, but the conduct of business and trade in English predates radio and TV
Moving goalposts, your original comment only mentioned popular media, no business or finance and the comment you replied to was talking about number of speakers, nothing else.
Here
I said that you could make a good argument that ROOTS of the prevalence of English were from Imperial times. That's the point I'm supporting here; don't accuse me of moving the goalposts becuase you're too illiterate to understand my comments.
>muh roots
Literal cope. You wouldn't have even mentioned business and finance had you actually believed in the drivel you wrote.
Whatever you need to tell yourself bro
Americans = Anglos that sometimes have some other European spice (that applies to the white ones at least)
Which is to say, since 1945
>During the 17th century, French replaced Latin as the most important language of diplomacy and international relations (lingua franca). It retained this role until approximately the middle of the 20th century, when it was replaced by English as the United States became the dominant global power following the Second World War.[40][41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language#Modern_French
>and the great majority of the world's popular media
you are a minority compared to china and india's populations
popular my ass. even japan is displacing two of your media
>you are a minority compared to china and india's populations
Go post on Chinese and Indian speaking forums then.
yes saar
very good saar
English is dying as a language =) and so are most global languages =) Only the europeans will speak their languages and everyone else will speak their indigenous native ones primarily
*so are most global european languages
Deglobalization in general plus AI will eliminate the need for learning second languages entirely. The world will be a better place. Then we can instantly ignore all Indian and Arab posts without bothering to translate.
>English is dying as a language
lmao as if. sure if you mean local english dialects dying or english being americanized
I know about Hungarians, frick them. Frick snowBlack folk too, but that's besides the point.
Why do romangutans have to display their asshurt at every opportunity? You would think having Transylvania would calm you down.
It's a hilarious Eastern European country that you'd hear about as a joke, but unlike Bulgaria it doesn't have a unified tradition beyond the language.
Wrong neighbor.
My bad obločiar bro. Long live Drotária!
Just learned about these guys. Vikings are considered part of our culture. Horse archers obviously are not. And having horse archers ride in circles shooting arrows without engaging makes for rather poor movies.
>why are the people who raided an actually and invaded a actually relevant people more known than some randos in eastern Europe?
Because when Hungarians arrived to pillage, people were like "who the frick are these midgets?" meanwhile when vikings came around, people were like "HOLY TALL MUSCULAR CHADS OF THE NORTH EMBRACE YOURSELVES!"
Manlets, when will they learn?
This is an embarrasing post for the history board. Vikings were emaciated peasants that were forced to raid overseas out of their overpopulated and food scarce communities.
Nah you're moronic. Their underclass didn't get the privilege of warriors. To be Viking was just the Koryos way except with ships instead of horses.
The older and mostly married men wouldn't start colonizing anywhere until the younger lads had returned successfully after typically three years at sea. Boomer reinforcements I guess. But if they made it to adulthood they had typically consumed more dairy, meat and fish than any medieval contemporary. In the the burials like those at Oxford the Norse had muscle attachments, size and morphology more like the burials of Scythian nobles than Christian Anglo-Saxons, a people with a fairly intelligible language to them.
It's fricking over.
Because building advanced ships requires skills and cleverneas while hopping on a horse does not
Steppenogs aren't interesting
>"For some reason it has been the fashion among some historians to minimize the impact of the Magyars, who ‘were not a creative factor in the West’. (All this means is that the Magyars did not reach Cambridge.) They were, indeed, a destructive force. But they furnished the stimulus for developments of profound importance. By destroying Greater Moravia, they recast the ethnic and political patterns of the Danube basin, and determined the future profile of all Central Europe. Their presence was a vital element in the formation not only of Hungary but of Bohemia, of Poland, of Croatia and Serbia, of Austria, and of the German Empire. They created the living barrier which separated the Slavs of the north from the Slavs of the south. They opened the way for German colonists to move down the Danube, and to consolidate their hold on ‘Austria’. They drove the princes of Germany to unite, and to accept the victor of the Lechfeld as their emperor. One account relates how the German troops raised Otto of Saxony on their shields at the end of the battle, and acclaimed him emperor on the spot. This may not have been “the Magyars’ intention. But for seven tribes of refugee nomads to have crossed the Carpathians, and within one lifetime to have provoked the rise of six or seven durable fixtures on the map of Europe, was no mean achievement. Only armchair historians, sitting in a backwater of an offshore island, might judge such developments trivial."
From "Europe: A History" by Norman Davies
>They drove the princes of Germany to unite, and to accept the victor of the Lechfeld as their emperor.
Germany was already united and still more centralised as compared to West Frankia.
Reality
Finnic urgic master race. Vikings were Finns lead by a handful of old nords.
Lmao. Finns were cavemen living in mud huts subsisting on smelly fish.
Norse couldn't stack pile of stones to make house comfy
norse myth mentions them, and even conflates them as part of themselves.
one victor acknowledges another.
Put the vodka down pekka
>migration period? never heard of it
>we wuz vikangs
N1c kings
Indeed. Too bad "Hungarians" today are just cucked Slavs usurping that name.
Magyar elite was R1a z93.
Magyars were multi-ethnic, it was a tribal federation of Turkic, Indo-Aryan, and Uralic tribes. It wasn't a nation in the modern sense.
I always find this claim suspiciously globohomo. the same is said of the huns, the mongols etc. there were enough hungarians in the mix to suppress the other languages, but not enough to provide even a single tribal name, or chieftain name, or title. we descend from schrödinger's hungarians.
Consider this: every Magyar tribal name, personal name, and name of office was Turkic, and there is no proof Magyars spoke Hungarian
I'll leave it to you to add 2 plus 2 together
>no proof Magyars spoke Hungarian
So today's Hungarians speak a Turkic lanaguge, despite having features that are rather Uralic than Turkic, such as high number of grammatical cases. I mean sure, during their trek though European steppes they loaned a lot of words form Turkic languages, but that doesn't mean Hungarians spoke one of Turkic language
No, you don't get it. Magyars were Turkics who didn't speak Hungarian. They adopted Hungarian in the Carpathian Basin where it was already spoken.
It makes no sense that a bunch of Turkic nomads with Turkic names for everything spoke a Uralic language. It also makes no sense that a smaller invading elite replaces the language of the larger local population.
On the other hand we don't know anything about the language of the Avars, literally nothing. And some Avar artifacts have been proposed to be interpreted as Hungarian.
I refuse to acknowledge you actually believe this, it must be a bait
I see you're another 60 IQ Wikipedia academic
nta, but the current story is fishy. we even see turk names turn into hungarian names over the first century (e.g. Tas disappears, Keve apperas). we have slavic loanwords with sounds that disappeared in slavic before 800. we have countless chronicles calling the invaders 'turks'. we have elements of avar mythology as seen in their archeological heritage (e.g. the csodaszarvas) that aren't 896-turk.
the point I part ways with the dual conquest theory is attributing the language to either wave of avars. I think they were both turks. the language was present before them in the carpathian basin. Vékony Gábor has even come up with hydronymy for which the most likely scenario is a direct dacian-hungarian borrowing.
no need to be wienery while misunderstanding my post. I was hinting at the same thing. the language was here way before the conquest of 896.
Are you a woman or a troony?
Good post, you are forgiven.
shave your foot tomasescu
nah, if he's romanian, he is sawing the branch he's sitting on because all he says imolies that the language and ethnicity was present in the carpathian basin even earlier than thought.
*implies, of course
I'm Slovak. If what we call Hungarian language today was already in the Carpathian Basin, that doesn't mean much for Hungarian territorial claims. Your people call yourselves Magyars today, and Magyars arrived here in the 9th century. Regardless of what language they spoke or if they adopted the local language.
>multi-ethnic
Velaryon also never black
Magyar elite was N1c
N1* is not East Eurasian though, it's the most common in Finns who are also the blondest people on Earth.
The swarthier populations in central Asia who are N1* are prescisely darker because of Han mt DNA.
> N1* is not East Eurasian though
N1c mutation has occurred in southern China
> The swarthier populations in central Asia who are N1* are prescisely darker because of Han mt DNA.
Have you heard of autosomes?
>N1c mutation has occurred in southern China
"We are all out of Africa" tier timelines, this is before the literal hypoboreans evolved blonde hair.
We are all descended from Apes too.
You Chinks are coping hard. Your women only ever got raped by Steppe peoples, but never vice versa.
>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu paternal haplogroups were of West Eurasian origin, while the rest were of East Asian origin. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[250]
>A 2003 study found that 89% of Xiongnu maternal lineages are of East Asian origin, while 11% were of West Eurasian origin. However, a 2016 study found that 37.5% of Xiongnu maternal lineages were West Eurasian, in a central Mongolian sample.[246]
Yes, ethnic Xiongnu conquered the western steppe, r1a/r1b slaves became commoners. Elite burials have haplogroups N1c, Q1b and C2b. Like that -
. R1a-z93 is also present, but it's much less common. Sorry Timmy, you're not a real steppe chimp
>Yes, Western steppe men raped Han princes
>Some irrelevant cope about burial sites
I accept your full and complete concession. Now suck my Finnish wiener you ugly asiatic.
But Pekka, you are the asiatics
We have nothing in common with you other than our distant cousins raping your women, sorry.
Blonde/blue eyes is a recessive gene therefore our ancestors were always blonde.
I'm sorry, but cope somewhere else.
Explain Finns having epicanthic folds and explain no other Uralic speakers having blond hair majority.
It's a finn dreams of BRC (BigR1wiener), he doesn't want to explain anything, he wants to be a slave of russians and swedes
This is just projection, R1a is practically nonexistent in Finland, while Russia has N1c at least three times more than what Finns have R1a.
Epicanthic folds are far predating Chinks, found in EEMHs and evolved out later. It's also found in Khoisan and some still present in some Englishman.
The actual reason it was selected for in Siberia is to protect from snow blindness. There is no reason for South East Asians to have to have them except for being raped by Steppe warrior men regularly.
In ancient society there was a division into castes, among the steppe peoples the highest caste among Xiongnu etc. was of east eurasian origin with East Eurasian haplogroups, commoners were local conquered peoples, and there were many western lines
> Ethnic Xiongnu elites from the core Xiongnu territory were Q and N. They conquered those groups in the west who had R1a. This is an established view in archaeology.
> Most of those digs were made in the far western edge of modern Mongolia in an area that lies outside of core Xiongnu territory. In fact, the latest of these papers revealed the burial of an actual Xiongnu noble woman, who genetically hailed from this core Xiongnu territory in the east, having local R1a individuals sacrificed as servants. Before you get all railed up though: None of these R1a individuals on the Eastern Steppe were ever "European" or anything close. One has to be seriously delusional to think that.
Huge cope, Q didn't conquer jack shit, read this again:
>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu paternal haplogroups were of West Eurasian origin, while the rest were of East Asian origin. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[250]
Literally the Xiongnu paternal haplogroups DID NOT EXIST IN THE AREA during the Slab Grave period. Everything else is mental gymnastics, they got raped by West Eurasians who took their women and enslaved some of their boys, that's where the Q comes from.
The West Eurasian DNA went from 0% to 50% and displaced the East Eurasian men, unless you want to cope further and say the men allowed foreigners to come in and impregnate their women or whatever other cuck narrative you want to come up with. This is maybe even true Han pussy being offered to conquerors is literally the primary survival strategy in the region hence why they spent most of their history being ruled by foreigners.
> In 2012, Chinese researchers published an analysis of the paternal haplogroups of 12 elite Xiongnu male specimens from Heigouliang in Xinjiang, China. Six of the specimens belonged to Q1a, while four belonged to Q1b-M378. 2 belonged to unidentified clades of Q*.[32] In another study, a probable Chanyu of the Xiongnu empire was assigned to haplogroup R1.[33][34]
Now seethe
Are you seriously trying to argue that fingoloids don't have East Asian ancestry? Explain this then.
This is what Finns look like you moron. You are posting actual modern hapas or possibly Sami (recent migrants). The two centre right women in your pic aren't even natural blondes, you can tell from the roots their hair is dyed.
That is not what ethnic Finno-Ugric speakers look like. There are plenty of Swedish and Baltic mutts in Finland but that is not relevant to Finnish prehistory.
>That is not what ethnic Finno-Ugric speakers look like
Yes it is. Hungarians have blonde people too you coping slit eye.
Because our Eastern cousins FRICKED YOUR SHORT HAN PUSSY.
This is proven here
. Everyone on the Steppe took turns fricking Han princesses. Literally since the start of the Han dynasty Steppe Chads forced Chinks to give Han princesses as tribute. Fricking Han pussy for millenia eventually turned central Asia darker, while blonde people were found there in Ancient times.
Yes, some Steppe tribes took mercy on Chink boys and added them to their house, but literally in the neolithic there were zero blonde men, then blonde Steppe Chads came and fricked your women in the EBA, every tribe since then is a descendent of that.
But do go on it's funny as frick seeing Han peasants cheer on their rapists. In reality there was a never a Chinese crusade that got past Mongolia, but a near-constant stream of Steppe semen coming into China.
>Yes it is. Hungarians have blonde people too you coping slit eye.
Those are Slavs, you fricking moron. This is what ethnic Hungarians look like (today less than 5% of Hungarian population)
This is what Hungarian women look like. Your pic also just looks Caucasian if anything, not East Eurasian.
Those are some hot Slavic bawds ngl
>Your pic also just looks Caucasian if anything
So you're just making stuff up now, cool
There are no Slavs in Hungary, you are coping hard rn.
You shouldn't post here if you are completely illiterate.
What is your pic meant to prove? That Hungarians are Europeans? We always knew this. Most Hun warriors are R1b even.
Again you are coping hard because you identify with Steppe peoples who raped your ancestors and then came back West. But they never looked like you at any point. They just raped you.
The Sintasha culture that moved East was very Blonde.
> Most Hun warriors are R1b even
Q1b*
The elites were R1a:
>Gnecchi-Ruscone et al. 2021 analyzed the remains of two elite 4th century Huns from Kazakhstan and Hungary. Their paternal haplogroups were assigned to R1a-Z94 and R1a-Z645.
>One of these Huns carried the maternal haplogroup D4.[145]
>he next year, Gnecchi-Ruscone et al. 2022 examined a 5th-century male from Árpás, Hungary.[146] He belonged to paternal haplogroup R1a-Y57 and maternal haplogroup H5,[f] and clustered closely with West Eurasians.[147]
>some archaeologists have argued that archaeological finds have failed to prove that the Huns had any "Mongoloid" features at all,[46] and some scholars have argued that the Huns were predominantly "Caucasian" in appearance.[47]
>In the same year Keyser et al. 2020 examined 52 Xiongnu skeletal remains and found that the Xiongnu shared paternal (R1a1a1b2a-Z94, R1a1a1b2a2-Z2124, Q1a and N1a) and maternal haplotypes with the Huns, and suggested on this basis that the Huns were descended from Xiongnu, who they in turn suggested were descended from Scytho-Siberians.[d]
>Minority of Q1a sublades from Sarmatians
Remember the Xiongnu? See
Literally West Eurasian men raped Han princesses and the only thing that is even remotely East Asian in Steppe warriors is the maternal Han DNA from your women (which made them shorter lol; that's why they lost)
Interesting bullshit, then why do living ones look like this
What about him, he looks European with Siberian Steppe DNA?
Here's more Hungarians, also without the Gypsy admixture averages.
If they had Chink DNA they would have zero blondes, be shorter like Chinks and have ricedicks.
The policeman in the front looks like a serboturk mutt, the rest look like native Balkanites and Pannonians
Modern Hungarians have almost no genetic continuity with original Hungarians, that guy I posted (who absolutely looks Asian) is the small minority that didn't get replaced by local Europeans
Lmao, Finnish cuckboy (or more probably fennoswede israelite) got BTFO
Finns basically slavs
No, don't be disingenuous, it's Russians who are basically Finns, as reflected in that chart. Otherwise you would see Finns clustering with Poles, Czechs, etc.
Finns have that combo of Bronze Age Baltic and Scandinavian while Slavs have ancestry from Central Europe, Northern Balkans and Bronze Age Balts
they average out as similar but differ in fine-structure
Crying samegay rapebaby identifying with his daddy that raped his mommy and killed her husband lmao you limpwristed ricedick.
He has no Asian features at all. You think slit eyes are Asian it is not. Africans have it too and it is rare and present throughout all humans.
Positive selection for it was only in Siberia and deserts though. Chinks having is actually likely from foreign DNA semen as there no selection pressure for it in East Asia.
He looks like a typical Central ASIAN, with a round skull and massive epicanthic folds, and Central ASIANS look like that because of their EAST ASIAN admixture. Now whether you are fennoswede or slavshit, you should kys either way
Hungarians cluster the closest with Slavs in Europe, out of people in the whole world, that's what it shows, moron. Because most of them are Slavs who are Hungarian through assimilation.
This is what those who raped all the white women in ancient finland looked like. This is how the N1c finns appeared. Self-humiliating finn itt is the rapebaby of this noble Han king
Holy shit you are coping hard rn. Modern Finns xan't be blond if N1c was not blonde idiot. Think logically.
We have actual proof of raping your women, you are just projecting hard and trying to identify with us.
chink what are you doing
>This is how the N1c finns appeared.
Nope, here's the N1c carrier to Finland.
RUS_Ingria_IA,0.1234985,0.1152625,0.0961655,0.091732,0.0450855,0.0376505,0.012103,0.022268,-0.0010225,-0.0380875,0.00203,-0.015661,0.029063,0.0364015,-0.0095685,-0.0106735,-0.009518,0.00095,0.0027025,-0.001251,-0.005116,-0.004328,0.006532,-0.0107245,-0.0026345
Notice that it's almost fully Baltic, with less Siberian admixture than modern Finns.
>That is not what ethnic Finno-Ugric speakers look like
This is what ethnic Finnic people looked like.
RUS_Ingria_IA,0.1234985,0.1152625,0.0961655,0.091732,0.0450855,0.0376505,0.012103,0.022268,-0.0010225,-0.0380875,0.00203,-0.015661,0.029063,0.0364015,-0.0095685,-0.0106735,-0.009518,0.00095,0.0027025,-0.001251,-0.005116,-0.004328,0.006532,-0.0107245,-0.0026345
These people brought the N1c paternal lines to Finland, and they had even less Siberian admixture than modern Finns.
Are you seriously implying these people are le white? Is this some Finnish schizo fantasy?
early history of magyar is kino
they're only tribe of their langauge family who went on conquering instaed pf forestdwelling, migrate from Ural mts and take a piece of good land in centre of Europe, even arabs and turks couldn't do that. basically unoreversed on indoeuropeans.
i respect those warriors
>Vikings featured in millions of media
Because you're talking about English-speaking media. The English had no contact with magyar raiders, so they have no reason to care about them or make movies about them.
Because who cares about smelly pseudo-austrians who stink of bell peppers?
Neither bell peppers nor Austria existed in the 9th century
Redpill me on these guys.
Does it mean "Newgothic Slavs"?
Nugatti is just pseudoitalian word for nougats, name of that dessert
Close to nyugati which means Western in Hungarian
Nyugati Szlávok = Western Slavs
Poor wordplay
this shit tastes so bad. eurocrem mogs.
goth were federation of various tribes and ethnicities anyway
Because longboats and fjords look good in movies.
funny thing
Zaporozhian Cossacks were practically a more modern vikings
They're completely overshadowed by the Huns and Mongols while there is no equivalent overshadowing the Nors
e.
West.
because Hungarians are basically turks and nobody wants to learn their hideous Mordor language
Because people learn Old Norse? moron.
>he doesn't know
Why does this thread keep getting made? It’s because most media is Anglo-centric and it didn’t really impact Anglos. It’s as simple as that. It’s like asking why more people don’t know a lot about the life of Slovaks but under Hungarian rule. It’s just not as important to Anglos. It has nothing to do with how effective or good at war Hungarians or Vikings were.
>advance
Magyars I can understand, they were just some annoying hobos on horses, but the Arabs/Berbers were the Vikings of the Med, cool as hell and even more advanced
White Nordic Aryans vs Brown Asians
The Huns are famous. The story trope of the hero's village being raided and razed is the result of thousands of years of raids entering our collective memory
1) They both lost and are all unimportant compared to the blossoming central European empires.
2) The homelands were not important to the history of Europe in general.
3) The Germanics get more attention because Germanic languages and culture ended up being the most important globally. Scandis are not important, but are interesting for comparative studies, like how we compare humans to apes.
You sound like a deutschoid trying to coattail on the glory of Anglos
Sounds like Angloid still scarred from Dane invasions and confusing them with Angles and Saxons.
Do Germans really still jerk themselves off over the incomplete and transient conquest of some of England 1200 years ago?
Sounds like you’re seething because you lost both World Wars and established no significant colonial empire.
Are you fricking moronic? Germans are are not Danes you mouth breathing idiot.
The Saxons are originally from Germany and Angles from North Germany so if anything the English were the "German" side of that conflict.
asiatic horde doesn't fit the aryan aesthetic
asiatic hordes raping aryan pussies while you post this on IQfy
mwad inni
Im so lonely
I'm Hungarian and I look pretty much like that guy.
post bussy
Pretty sure it was a troll post.
That Asian boy looks so fricking cute. It's a shame females have such a monopoly on all the cute boys, leave them tf alone
He's cute already but he'd be about 200 times cuter if he shaved the little goatee
Because vikings raided the English speaking world that would go on to be most prolific creators of media. A certain portion of Angloids never seemed to really get over it, hence all the seething you still see today whenever vikings come up.
Because Magyar BVLLS were N1c Asiatics and whites dont want to relive the humiliation of being raided constantly by non-white Asians
The frequency of paternal haplogroups in the Hungarian Conqueror samples
So literally zero East Asian subclades? As I said.
Lmao even Caucasian and farmer groups in there.
>Chinese researchers
Discarded then. I don't trust natianalists who were caught throwing away samples, destroying blonde+ginger mummies etc. more than once.
The evidence is clear: no West Eurasian men in Slab Grave; 50% West Eurasian men after they raped Han pussy in the area.
> zero East Asian
> half of n1c and c2
And that's the elite, commoners were R1a, G2, J1
> half of n1c and c2
Siberian and Steppe, not East Asian, cry more rapebaby.
Siberian means East Asian
> Discarded then
lmao
Then I don't trust all the shit you posted, you moronic kid
Even Chinese nationalist historians admitted it was true.
In general everything on the Steppe at some point came from the West and raped Han women. That includes Mongols who looked more Turkic before.
It's hilarious watching Chinks trying to identify with the strong Steppe men who raped their women and forced them pay royal pussy tribute literally since the Han dynasty though. Lmfao.
> chinese scientists identify haplogroups
> haplogroups isn't even mainstream in china
> damn, they're chinese, so it's all a lie!
You're fingolian swine raped by chinks, what are you talking about, Han chinese is your mongoloid rice brothers, you yellow ugly piece of shit
>Heqin, also known as marriage alliance, refers to the historical practice of Chinese monarchs marrying princesses—usually members of minor branches of the ruling family—to rulers of neighboring states.[1] It was often adopted as an appeasement strategy with an enemy state that was too powerful to defeat on the battlefield. The policy was not always effective. It implied an equal diplomatic status between the two monarchs. As a result, it was controversial and had many critics.[1]
>200 BC: Emperor Gaozu of Han marries a Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Modu Chanyu. This is the first recorded incidence of heqin in Chinese history.
>192 BC: Emperor Hui of Han marries another Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Modu Chanyu.
>176 BC: Emperor Wen of Han marries a third Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Modu Chanyu.
>174 BC: Emperor Wen of Han marries a Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Laoshang Chanyu. She brings a Yan eunuch named Zhonghang Yue with her to be her tutor.
>162 BC: Emperor Wen of Han marries another Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Laoshang Chanyu.
What did these mysterious pre-Xiongnu Han look like? Did Xiongnu rape all of East Asia and Southeast Asia to spread their epicanthic folds? That's an impressive amount of raping.
Indeed it is an impressive amount of raping. East Asians' ability to survive by throwing pussy at invaders is quite impressive.
What they did look like? The first men were blonde, ginger etc. like West Eurasians. Chinese scholars also admit this:
>According to Du, et al. (2024), some historians believe that the Xianbei could have had "exotic" features such as high nose bridges, blond hair and thick beards.
Btw they killed virtually all the Slab grave Chink looking men in the area who were nearly pure Q* haplogroups.
>The predominant Y-DNA haplogroup in Slab-grave males has been identified as Q (5/8 Q-M120 and 1/8 Q-L330),
>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu paternal haplogroups were of West Eurasian origin, while the rest were of East Asian origin. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[250]
However, because nearly all women were East Asian this is how the Turkic looking races were spawned eventually.
R1a decreases in the Xiongnu period what's your point.
>Thus, we find very high genetic diversity within individual tomb complexes at the TAK cemetery. Although both high-status females had relatively high levels of eastern Eurasian ancestry, the low-status satellite males exhibited extremely high genetic heterogeneity ranging from very high levels of western Eurasian ancestry to very high levels of eastern Eurasian ancestry. If the low-status males were retainers or servants of the high-status females, it suggests that they were drawn from diverse parts of the Xiongnu empire and possibly beyond.
Slave eunuchs drawn from Sogdians expanded aggressively serve their Xiongnu masters, very impressive.
Like all CCP funded papers this is written in a typical style to placate ricedicks.
The reality is that the grave rhey found is a Han princess with her R1a husband and children.
There were no Western genes there before, but Western men displaced Eastern men and the maternal DNA remained unchanged. This is how they made it palatable for the CCP while still admitting the basic reality that West Eurasians came in, killed half the men and then raped the women.
>The reality is that the grave rhey found is a Han princess with her R1a husband and children.
Child buried with the elite princess had haplogroup C.
The other elite male burial:
>SBB010
>grave goods: (5) iron disc and crescent representing sun and moon (a symbol of the Xiongnu empire); (4) bone bow strengthener plates; (7) arrow shafts; (8) bone chopsticks; (9) bone tube with iron needle inside; (10) gold foil ornamentation
>Y-DNA C2b1a1b (C-F1756)
>MtDNA H7b
Which is also a Steppe haplogroup, not East Asian. How are you gonna cope now?
Ghengis Khan's seed inside so many Han princess' wombs is another fact that ricedicks cope about and then try to identify with their rapists.
I don't really care about Chinks, they are a slave race whose only purpose is to serve their Turko-Mongolian-Finno-Japanese masters.
Are you some kind of anatolian turkroach?
Here is the qoute from the paper (Chinese authors):
>We observe a clear signal of male-biased WSH admixture among the EIA Sagly/Uyuk and during the Türkic period (i.e., more positive Z scores; Figure 5B), which also corresponds to the decline in the Y chromosome lineage Q1a and the concomitant rise of the western Eurasian lineages such as R and J (Figure S2A). During the later Khitan and Mongol empires, we observe a prominent male bias for East Asian-related ancestry (Figure S2C), which can also be seen from the rise in frequency of Y chromosome lineage O2a (Figure S2A).
>We found that the Eastern Steppe was populated by hunter-gatherers of ANA and ANE ancestry during the mid-Holocene and then shifted to a dairy pastoralist economy during the Bronze Age.
Also Europeans probably taught East Asians metalworking and introduced pastorialism, horseriding and the wheel:
>Genenetic links to the European Corded Ware cultures (Mathieson et al., 2015), were masters of bronze metallurgy and chariotry (Anthony, 2010), and the appearance of this ancestry on the Eastern Steppe may be linked to the introduction of new (especially horse-related) technologies.
Basically before there were no West Eurasians, then a people of pure West Eurasian breed came in and raped the women of the Slab Grave culture, and the East Asian paternal genes dramatically declined, with no change in local maternal genes. This is also corroborated by other papers:
Cont.
>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu paternal haplogroups were of West Eurasian origin, while the rest were of East Asian origin. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[250].
Picrel literally shows the gene gradient that flowed. Sintasha = pure blonde people from the CWC, this picrel culture was already hapa from raping East Asian women though.
This. However people cope there is no denying there was only East Eurasians before in the neolithic, but since the EBA West Eurasian men came in and bred the local women spawning the happas that would become Mongols, Turks etc.
>160 BC: Emperor Wen of Han marries a Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Gunchen Chanyu.
>156 BC: Emperor Jing of Han marries another Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Gunchen Chanyu.
>155 BC: Emperor Jing of Han marries a third Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Gunchen Chanyu.
>152 BC: Emperor Jing of Han marries a fourth Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Gunchen Chanyu.
>140 BC: Emperor Wu of Han marries a Han "princess" to Xiongnu chieftain Gunchen Chanyu.
>Central ASIANS look like that because of their EAST ASIAN admixture
Yes, on the MATERNAL side. West Eurasian men, East Eurasian pussy.
>33 BC: Emperor Yuan of Han marries Wang Zhaojun (王昭君 52 BC – 15), a lady of the imperial harem, to Xiongnu chieftain Huhanye. After Huhanye's death in 31 BC, she remarried Huhanye's successor (his son by his first wife and thus her stepson) Fuzhuleiruodi Chanyu.
Xiongnu
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>The Xiongnu practiced marriage alliances with Han dynasty officers and officials by marrying off daughters of the Chanyu (the Xiongnu ruler) to Han people who joined the Xiongnu and Xiongnu in Han service. The daughter of the Laoshang Chanyu (and older sister of Junchen Chanyu and Yizhixie Chanyu) was married to the Xiongnu General Zhao Xin, the Marquis of Xi who was serving the Han dynasty. The daughter of the Qiedihou Chanyu was married to the Han general Li Ling after he surrendered and defected.[11][12][13][14][15] The Yenisei Kirghiz Khagans claimed descent from Li Ling.[16][17]
You're not making any sense moron, first you say Han Chinese have slit eyes because of steppe rapists, now you're saying steppe rapists have slit eyes because of their Han Chinese mothers
Slit eyes is not a Chink feature that's why you are confused. Chinks features:
>100% straight black hair (no brown/aubrey hair etc.)
>100% soulless jetblack eyes
>pancake face
>short height
>small dinks
Central Kazakhstan was 100% R1a Sinastha in the Middle Bronze Age and by the Iron Age 50% of their Y-DNA was Q1a or N1 and they had Q1 elite.
>WAR001.A0101 37 Warriors Warrior_600BCE Tasmola_650BCE Q1a2a (Q-L475; Q-L53) H2b
Makes you think.
No it doesn't Chang
You vastly overestimate the relevance of raiders in general.
Not only did the magyars lose badly, but it was barely a footnote nevermind a sideshow compared to the civil war within East Francia. They were just raider mercenaries trained and paid for by the ERE trying to subvert the HRE. Literally the gossip surrounding whether Otto's ceremony in Aachen was more pompous than in West Francia was bigger news than raiders who were no real threat to the highly developed region. Henry the Fowler was able to build literally hundreds of castles within his short 8 year rule and by Otto's time when magyars were trying to take advantage of the civil war period they basically lost to local militia garrisons at the these castles before being crushed and decimated.
Vikings similarly did not actually fair well against the Frankish Empire. Even early on they failed to raid Paris despite having 30k men losing against a few hundred Frankish knights. It was all ultimately pointless too as the Emperor simply demanded all the wealth they had raided back from the Danish king (who immediately complied). Raiders where sheep herder peasants who tried to steal some wealth from regions distracted by civil war. They were not an actual threat and were only successful in underdeveloped regions.
Magyars only become interesting and developed after they were Christianized.
Magyars were only developed for an extremely short time period between being Christianized and before the discovery of the New World. They quickly lost any relevance after that, just like Poland-Lithuania.
500 years is a long time Anon. The original Roman Empire lasted for less than that.
Magyars never founded kingdoms outside of Hungary. Vikings conquered the British Isles, Normandy, Gardariket, Tunis, Sicily.
There's actually evidence that there were multiple Magyar settlements along the route from the Urals to Hungary but they all got subsumed without a trace.
Sure, but their raids were about as interesting as that from nameless pirates.
This board could be pretty good if you guys dropped the religion talk and all the hablogroup autismo.
Then there would be no content left
agreed, the board would be good if everybody stopped posting
Give it to me straight IQfy, are Huns and Hungarians the same people?
No
But every other Hungarian is called Attila
Yeah, it comes from Turkish Etymology.
But Attila was also a Hun
not sure if you are trolling here. the name was not preserved among the population, it was brought back into use by intellectuals at the end of the XIXth century.
No, never were. There is like 500 years of history between them.
it's highly unlikely that hungarians descend from huns, but there's a decent chance that it was the hun migration that brought the original speakers of the language to the carpathian basin. they were dragging a number of tribes with them.
According to Strabo there were already an equestrian tribe called Ugroi living around the Dnieper in the 1st century BC
There could have been a lot of Magyar/Uralic tribes all over Eastern Europe, they were pre-literate, we don't know shit about their languages
Maybe the Magyar family was huge like the Slavic family today, and Hungarians are their last remnants
Vikings + Nomads is the best crossover. Imagine archers on top of horses on top of drakkars
that's basically rus/moscovite
>On 4 June 2021, Endre Neparáczki collected a sample from the skull of the herm, during his researches so far, they isolated from the sample one of the best own extracted endogenous DNA. The Institute of Hungarian Research defined the genetic composition of the skull found in the herm and it was published in 2023. The result supported the originality of Saint Ladislaus relic, the Y chromosome of the skull belongs to the exclusive haplogroup of the Árpád-dynasty R-ARP (R1a1a1b2a2a1c3a3b) and the kinship analysis detected the skull is at five generations distance from King Béla III.
>The R-ARP sub-haplogroup belongs to the R-Z2123 clade, the phylogenetic analysis suggested a Bronze Age BMAC origin of the R-Z2123 sub-haplogroup which belongs to the R-Z2125 clade, which was detected in individuals from the Middle-Late Bronze Age on the Caspian Steppe, connected to the Potapovka, Sintashta and Andronovo cultures. In the Iron Age, this haplogroup was detected in the Turan basin and in Scytho-Siberians
>Mallory/Adams (1997) associated the Andronovo, BMAC and Yaz cultures with Indo-Iranian migrations, writing, The Bactria–Margiana complex has attracted attention as a candidate for those looking for the material counterparts to the Indo-Iranians (Aryans), a major linguistic branch that split off from the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
>It has become increasingly clear that if one wishes to argue for Indo-Iranian migrations from the steppe lands south into the historical seats of the Iranians and Indo-Aryans that these steppe cultures were transformed as they passed through a membrane of Central Asian urbanism. The fact that typical steppe wares are found on BMAC sites and that intrusive BMAC material is subsequently found further to the south in Iran, Afghanistan, Nepal, India and Pakistan, may suggest then the subsequent movement of Indo-Iranian-speakers after they had adopted the culture of the BMAC
So the Hungarians were pajeets-mongols-iranians mutts?
>pajeets
Are you moronic?
Hungarians are gypsies and gypsies come from India
ahem
FRICK magyarmongols
that is all
The former built ships that crossed oceans, founded cities from Dublin, Iceland, Scotland to the Black Sea, served as elite guard for the Byantine emperor, threatened to wipe England off the map.
The others were annoying hobos on horses #whatever that raided Europe here and there
>threatened to wipe England off the map.
Oh no, not my hecking englanderino!!!
World history is English history.
We live in an Anglo world. No one cared about Continental Europeans especially east of Germany.