>Because christtards just want everyone to suffer. That's what happens when religion becomes a goal in itself, instead of a tool towards a goal
No, it's just slave religions like Christianity and Buddhism that teach that it's good to suffer.
>Struggle is growth
They are old. Their bodies are done and will only decay and grow more infirm with time. The only thing they will be struggling with is attempting to remember what year it is and attempting to recover in rehab after their 5th fall breaks their hip.
I guess the real personal growth was all the times you screamed incoherently at your husband of 50 years due to alzheimers corroding your synapses along the way
that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
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nobody asserted anything, you came out of nowhere with this claim the burden of proof is on you
2 months ago
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*sigh* do i really have to explain to you christcucks for the 10,000th time how burden of proof works?
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*sigh* do i really have to explain to you christcucks for the 10,000th time how burden of proof works?
Do I have to explain it's a two way street bucko? Atheism is also a truth claim
2 months ago
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*sigh* concession accepted i guess. you'd think after getting BTFO thousands of times you'd correct your mistakes. i guess learning things isn't something christians hold in high regard
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what mistakes I just got here and seen the same old reddit tier atheist cope
>Don't worry, God knows that your grandma that was reduced to a drooling vegetable in the last month of her life due to dementia got it right with Him before she passed on..somehow
They might feel like it's not in anybody's place to pull this kind of thing. Faith is the only thing that pleases God so whatever you do is "Yes, and amen".
Because you can't tithe or give your time as effectively if you're dead. Of course the peons don't care about this, but those on the receiving end of tax free donations do, and they wield the power in their churches.
Same concept with abortion. More potential churchgoers = higher potential income and power.
Eh, the doctor probably is more effective at killing than most people are. Tons of inexperienced dip shits fail suicide attempts due to a poor understanding of anatomy, chemistry, or material strength.
Basically, murder isn't a sin because it harms the person you killed. While that is true, it's not a huge deal. In fact, the person you killed is due to get precisely what they deserve - judgement from God on whether they shall go to Heaven or Hell (or Purgatory).
The people you have harmed are their loved ones, who now have to suffer life without the person you killed.
Thus, suicide is still murder. You haven't harmed the person you killed (yourself), since you consented to die, but you have still harmed your loved ones.
Euthanasia is just suicide with a nicer name, so it's thereby prohibited.
It is particularly triggering, though, because Christianity is an extremely pro-social religion. It emphasizes massively how you need to call out, shame, and ostracize evil. When state-sanctioned evil occurs (and this falls under that definition), they freak the frick out.
gay, that would make God a sinner for making us have mortal lives (and thus harming our loved ones when we inevitably and unwillingly die), you absolute moron. >inb4 muh "uh, achtually it was Adam and Eve" disobedience that caused mortality
Punishing gazallions for the sins of their forefathers makes such perfect ethical and moral sense, kek. Goddamn christgays
There is definitely something in the Christian psyche that abhors suicide, especially the idea of a socially-accepted suicide. I feel terrible for depressed people, but the idea of others celebrating their death is horrifying.
But my main objection is the Pandora's box that it opens. If the terminally ill don't have lives worth living, what about the profoundly disabled? The miserably depressed? We're finding that the buck doesn't stop anywhere, with Canada trying to legalize euthanasia for minors.
It's easy to support euthanasia in the abstract, but what if it was your child that was getting executed due to depression?
There are other negative effects too, mostly in how it warps incentive structures for healthcare providers. Rather than providing quality care to terminal patients, those patients are pressured into suicide. There was one case where a pensioner was told it would take 3 weeks for a routine visit, but that he could sign up for euthanasia immediately if he wanted to. Additionally, think about all the terminal illnesses we have cured. Would those advancements have been made if not for the suffering the illnesses caused?
Ultimately, there are cases of euthanasia that undeniably good. Someone living alone, with a terminal and painful illness, who is already over the age of 80? That is fine, if still regrettable. But it will never stop there.
it should be everybody's problem. I'm confused more so by people who hand this power over to the government. It's literally never worked out but we keep trying. There is a huge difference between a doctor giving someone an opiate overdose or stopping grandpa's heart medication to giving the incompetent buffoons in charge of your country who can't even give you enough hospital beds poison to kill people who are an inconvenience.
What exactly is the end game here?
There is definitely something in the Christian psyche that abhors suicide, especially the idea of a socially-accepted suicide. I feel terrible for depressed people, but the idea of others celebrating their death is horrifying.
But my main objection is the Pandora's box that it opens. If the terminally ill don't have lives worth living, what about the profoundly disabled? The miserably depressed? We're finding that the buck doesn't stop anywhere, with Canada trying to legalize euthanasia for minors.
It's easy to support euthanasia in the abstract, but what if it was your child that was getting executed due to depression?
There are other negative effects too, mostly in how it warps incentive structures for healthcare providers. Rather than providing quality care to terminal patients, those patients are pressured into suicide. There was one case where a pensioner was told it would take 3 weeks for a routine visit, but that he could sign up for euthanasia immediately if he wanted to. Additionally, think about all the terminal illnesses we have cured. Would those advancements have been made if not for the suffering the illnesses caused?
Ultimately, there are cases of euthanasia that undeniably good. Someone living alone, with a terminal and painful illness, who is already over the age of 80? That is fine, if still regrettable. But it will never stop there.
>Was that a typo? Murder is a sin.
No, you just have literally zero reading ability so you look at sentences in total isolation.
This is common for people who like to do the line-by-line breakdown bullshit.
Obviously murder is a sin and obviously it's still a sin even if no one liked the murdered person or will miss him. It's an explanation for why suicide is a sin. >If everyone got what they deserved, if everyone received justice, then everyone would be thrown into the lake of fires.
Quit being a Protty Schizo. You know that's what I meant. >Also purgatory is a lie to sell indulgences and all sin is deadly/mortal.
Matthew 5: 25-26
Isaiah 6: 7-8
Also it really wasn't to sell indulgences. It wasn't made official Church doctrine until the 13th century. And it was the Council of Trent itself, the same council that banned selling indulgences, which really established it.
You're free to disagree, but it's not made up whole-cloth.
Because the husband is literally being a cuck while his wife watches him kill himself. A real man lives longer than his wife and takes care of her before she dies. Then you run your race until the end like Jesus.
Women tend to live longer than men, and it isn't uncommon for the wife to be younger than the husband in the first place. Statistically, your wife will outlive you.
I just can't imagine my life being so boring that I just volunteer to kill myself, not even out of being suicidal, just from sheer boredome. They could've traveled the world or something at least. The Netherlands must be an extremelly boring, soulless place, no wonder everyone there is on antidepressants
Having a terminal disease being bedridden and delirious while you shit out your guts until you die is just peak entertainment. Why would anyone want to miss out on that experience?
I will A. skin you alive while shitting down your throat and ripping out your nails one by one then leave you tied up while the worms festering in your infested wounds slowly finish you off over the next couple days or B. shoot you now.
Which one do you pick moron?
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I pick option A easily. I would rather suffer in horrible pain and therefore get to experience things than not doing it and missing out on potential precious moments.
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Okay cool.
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No you won’t you moron. Extreme pain fricking sucks and there a reason so many people choose for hospitals to let them die instead of perform CPR on them and break all their ribs trying to bring them back to life.
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Yes I will homosexual, I am aware that the weak seek to off themselves like a troony but don't impose that on me. This consciousness has a limited time of existence and I will not waste it because something hurts. If you are so desperate to go back to the void then do us a favor
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>Yeah bro, I’m not weak, I’d gladly let you torture me for hours and days, I can take it, I’m not a trannie
You’re a deranged childish moron who’s never so much as broken a bone in your entire life. True pain consumes your mind and makes it impossible to sleep or think straight. Without painkillers certain experiences are so agonizing that they can turn you insane. You’re a moronic homosexual who pretends to be tough online.
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>let me tell you about yourself by pulling shit out of my ass
I actually did break a bone so this sperging of yours is once again an irrelevant cope for your weakness. Just because you are an effeminate homosexual that can't take it doesn't mean other people won't be able to. >without painkillers
where did I say you shouldn't take them or to reduce your pain whenever possible? All I am saying is that if you have no options but to endure it then it is preferable to not being alive.
>The Netherlands must be an extremelly boring, soulless place, no wonder everyone there is on antidepressants
It is, that's why we needed more drugs legalized.
>You’re insane
Not an argument. explain how Grandma is going to get right with God when her brain is turned to mush and she’s attacking her family who she thinks are intruders in her house?
Man choosing to end his life at his own discretion instead of dying when he is supposed to is insanely self-centered and egotistical, which is sinful. Only God has the authority to determine when a man lives and dies.
Imagine letting another man decide when you live and die, let alone being the neurotic controlling homosexual thst does that to another person. Do you ask YHWH permission to wipe your ass as well?
>say something that's an obvious lie >spew hate in return
Okay, as typical of the Papist idolaters.
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Don't you have a Roman boylover cult to defend? Go try to earn your way into heaven, fool.
Using that logic, your clergy has raped and tortured more children than the roman empire ever has by virtue of higher numbers, longevity and secrecy. Your rituals of sex abuse go back before the renaissance with priests going back to gregory complaining about it in the 11th century. If heaven is full of decrepit pedophiles and people that learn of grace through decrepit pedophiles then it's nowhere worth "earning" >inb4 it was le outlier.
Right, many people criticized these acts. So was sex abuse in pre-christian times, in fact it was seen as a decadent vice going back to the greeks writing about how it corrupted the aristocracy. Didn't spare them all from being generalized as child grooming sodomites did it?
Atheists don't know how to form basic arguments do they? Is this supposed to be some kind of gatcha moment
>original post asserts souls exist based off feeling >gets dimissed and bullied >starts talking about "basic argument"
There was no argument going on. If your claim (soul existing) is based on what you feel and WANT to believe while demanding counter-arguments then your standards for reality are no higher than a troony that claims he's a woman because he thinks he is one and asks you to disprove it without providing any evidence himself. The most intelligent thing a person can do here is call you a homosexual. homosexual.
They say life flashes before your eyes just when you are about to die.
What if you are one of those people hit by a grenade, artillery shell or plane crash where you body literally disintegrates within seconds? Or in this case euthanized instantly? Does it still flash then?
people have been doing this on their own, why do you need to give the government so much power or celebrate killing yourself? Keep it to yourself, killing yourself or loved ones is your burden to bear
There are countless failed suicide attempts where the person ends up debilitated in a state worse than death or even successful ones that are done wrong and the person ends up in immense pain for hours before they die.
The government has the ability to provide a quick, painless, guaranteed way out.
Ruined their country for their kids and now killing themselves lmao
frick off, Van Agt was one if not the most based dutch politician.
Because christtards just want everyone to suffer. That's what happens when religion becomes a goal in itself, instead of a tool towards a goal
>Because christtards just want everyone to suffer. That's what happens when religion becomes a goal in itself, instead of a tool towards a goal
No, it's just slave religions like Christianity and Buddhism that teach that it's good to suffer.
they don't care
they don't
Because struggle is growth and giving up is cringe and soulless.
Give up what you moron? They are going to die anyway in a couple years in a much more painful less dignified manner.
Ok well then you’re just presupposing a materialist view of the soul anyway, in that case go ahead and have a nice day.
he's busy fricking your mom
I really doubt you can do much growth when you have a condition that guarantees death in a few years at best
>Struggle is growth
They are old. Their bodies are done and will only decay and grow more infirm with time. The only thing they will be struggling with is attempting to remember what year it is and attempting to recover in rehab after their 5th fall breaks their hip.
I guess the real personal growth was all the times you screamed incoherently at your husband of 50 years due to alzheimers corroding your synapses along the way
Probably one of the few things Christians and Nietzsche can agree upon.
souls don't exist moron
nice claim where is your evidence?
that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
nobody asserted anything, you came out of nowhere with this claim the burden of proof is on you
*sigh* do i really have to explain to you christcucks for the 10,000th time how burden of proof works?
Do I have to explain it's a two way street bucko? Atheism is also a truth claim
*sigh* concession accepted i guess. you'd think after getting BTFO thousands of times you'd correct your mistakes. i guess learning things isn't something christians hold in high regard
what mistakes I just got here and seen the same old reddit tier atheist cope
I'm fricking your mom right now with my gargantuan 9 incher. Where is your evidence I'm not?
Atheists don't know how to form basic arguments do they? Is this supposed to be some kind of gatcha moment
vax status?
Unjabbed. They chose to kill themselves because of the horrific effects of long covid. It all could have been stopped if they just took it…
underrated b8
>Don't worry, God knows that your grandma that was reduced to a drooling vegetable in the last month of her life due to dementia got it right with Him before she passed on..somehow
They might feel like it's not in anybody's place to pull this kind of thing. Faith is the only thing that pleases God so whatever you do is "Yes, and amen".
Aw sweet, a live free gracer moron in this thread.
I read this as 'dies in hand-to-hand combat with wife'.
Because you can't tithe or give your time as effectively if you're dead. Of course the peons don't care about this, but those on the receiving end of tax free donations do, and they wield the power in their churches.
Same concept with abortion. More potential churchgoers = higher potential income and power.
Dead people leave stuff to the church in their will all the time........
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Yes but that's the last time they do. Ensuring more people attend your holy building means more money.
Not a continuous stream of income though. And not everyone does so.
Next stop, the kebab shop.
I understand killing yourself but it is moronic to try and get another person to kill you because you are too cowardly to do so yourself
>IT'S MORE MANLY TO SHOOT URSELF WITH A SHOTGUN BRO!!!!!!!!!!!
actually kys
Eh, the doctor probably is more effective at killing than most people are. Tons of inexperienced dip shits fail suicide attempts due to a poor understanding of anatomy, chemistry, or material strength.
Because suffering is the greatest virtue in the eyes of G-d.
You’re supposed to suffer and give your priest a final piece of juicy gossip
I fricking wish hell is real so damn much.
because you are a hateful person and want to see people around you suffer
Exactly.
>Destroy economy to save old people
>Old people kill themselves anyway
Didn’t they have any kids or grandkids that might want to see them alive?
What an utterly continental story.
Silence Pajeet.
I get why christcucks can be against abortion but What's their issue with euthanasia is beyond me
Basically, murder isn't a sin because it harms the person you killed. While that is true, it's not a huge deal. In fact, the person you killed is due to get precisely what they deserve - judgement from God on whether they shall go to Heaven or Hell (or Purgatory).
The people you have harmed are their loved ones, who now have to suffer life without the person you killed.
Thus, suicide is still murder. You haven't harmed the person you killed (yourself), since you consented to die, but you have still harmed your loved ones.
Euthanasia is just suicide with a nicer name, so it's thereby prohibited.
It is particularly triggering, though, because Christianity is an extremely pro-social religion. It emphasizes massively how you need to call out, shame, and ostracize evil. When state-sanctioned evil occurs (and this falls under that definition), they freak the frick out.
gay, that would make God a sinner for making us have mortal lives (and thus harming our loved ones when we inevitably and unwillingly die), you absolute moron.
>inb4 muh "uh, achtually it was Adam and Eve" disobedience that caused mortality
Punishing gazallions for the sins of their forefathers makes such perfect ethical and moral sense, kek. Goddamn christgays
>muh slippery slope
it should be everybody's problem. I'm confused more so by people who hand this power over to the government. It's literally never worked out but we keep trying. There is a huge difference between a doctor giving someone an opiate overdose or stopping grandpa's heart medication to giving the incompetent buffoons in charge of your country who can't even give you enough hospital beds poison to kill people who are an inconvenience.
What exactly is the end game here?
Bot a Christcucks but this a sterile and uromantic way to go, compare this to dazai's death.
There is definitely something in the Christian psyche that abhors suicide, especially the idea of a socially-accepted suicide. I feel terrible for depressed people, but the idea of others celebrating their death is horrifying.
But my main objection is the Pandora's box that it opens. If the terminally ill don't have lives worth living, what about the profoundly disabled? The miserably depressed? We're finding that the buck doesn't stop anywhere, with Canada trying to legalize euthanasia for minors.
It's easy to support euthanasia in the abstract, but what if it was your child that was getting executed due to depression?
There are other negative effects too, mostly in how it warps incentive structures for healthcare providers. Rather than providing quality care to terminal patients, those patients are pressured into suicide. There was one case where a pensioner was told it would take 3 weeks for a routine visit, but that he could sign up for euthanasia immediately if he wanted to. Additionally, think about all the terminal illnesses we have cured. Would those advancements have been made if not for the suffering the illnesses caused?
Ultimately, there are cases of euthanasia that undeniably good. Someone living alone, with a terminal and painful illness, who is already over the age of 80? That is fine, if still regrettable. But it will never stop there.
>Was that a typo? Murder is a sin.
No, you just have literally zero reading ability so you look at sentences in total isolation.
This is common for people who like to do the line-by-line breakdown bullshit.
Obviously murder is a sin and obviously it's still a sin even if no one liked the murdered person or will miss him. It's an explanation for why suicide is a sin.
>If everyone got what they deserved, if everyone received justice, then everyone would be thrown into the lake of fires.
Quit being a Protty Schizo. You know that's what I meant.
>Also purgatory is a lie to sell indulgences and all sin is deadly/mortal.
Matthew 5: 25-26
Isaiah 6: 7-8
Also it really wasn't to sell indulgences. It wasn't made official Church doctrine until the 13th century. And it was the Council of Trent itself, the same council that banned selling indulgences, which really established it.
You're free to disagree, but it's not made up whole-cloth.
>say something that's an obvious lie
>spew hate in return
Okay, as typical of the Papist idolaters.
Don't you have a Roman boylover cult to defend? Go try to earn your way into heaven, fool.
Because the husband is literally being a cuck while his wife watches him kill himself. A real man lives longer than his wife and takes care of her before she dies. Then you run your race until the end like Jesus.
American hands made this post
God Bless America
Women tend to live longer than men, and it isn't uncommon for the wife to be younger than the husband in the first place. Statistically, your wife will outlive you.
I just can't imagine my life being so boring that I just volunteer to kill myself, not even out of being suicidal, just from sheer boredome. They could've traveled the world or something at least. The Netherlands must be an extremelly boring, soulless place, no wonder everyone there is on antidepressants
Having a terminal disease being bedridden and delirious while you shit out your guts until you die is just peak entertainment. Why would anyone want to miss out on that experience?
It is better than non-experience that's why. You'll have an eternity of that anyway so why not maximize the time you do have?
I will A. skin you alive while shitting down your throat and ripping out your nails one by one then leave you tied up while the worms festering in your infested wounds slowly finish you off over the next couple days or B. shoot you now.
Which one do you pick moron?
I pick option A easily. I would rather suffer in horrible pain and therefore get to experience things than not doing it and missing out on potential precious moments.
Okay cool.
No you won’t you moron. Extreme pain fricking sucks and there a reason so many people choose for hospitals to let them die instead of perform CPR on them and break all their ribs trying to bring them back to life.
Yes I will homosexual, I am aware that the weak seek to off themselves like a troony but don't impose that on me. This consciousness has a limited time of existence and I will not waste it because something hurts. If you are so desperate to go back to the void then do us a favor
>Yeah bro, I’m not weak, I’d gladly let you torture me for hours and days, I can take it, I’m not a trannie
You’re a deranged childish moron who’s never so much as broken a bone in your entire life. True pain consumes your mind and makes it impossible to sleep or think straight. Without painkillers certain experiences are so agonizing that they can turn you insane. You’re a moronic homosexual who pretends to be tough online.
>let me tell you about yourself by pulling shit out of my ass
I actually did break a bone so this sperging of yours is once again an irrelevant cope for your weakness. Just because you are an effeminate homosexual that can't take it doesn't mean other people won't be able to.
>without painkillers
where did I say you shouldn't take them or to reduce your pain whenever possible? All I am saying is that if you have no options but to endure it then it is preferable to not being alive.
>The Netherlands must be an extremelly boring, soulless place, no wonder everyone there is on antidepressants
It is, that's why we needed more drugs legalized.
>You’re insane
Not an argument. explain how Grandma is going to get right with God when her brain is turned to mush and she’s attacking her family who she thinks are intruders in her house?
Man choosing to end his life at his own discretion instead of dying when he is supposed to is insanely self-centered and egotistical, which is sinful. Only God has the authority to determine when a man lives and dies.
Imagine letting another man decide when you live and die, let alone being the neurotic controlling homosexual thst does that to another person. Do you ask YHWH permission to wipe your ass as well?
Using that logic, your clergy has raped and tortured more children than the roman empire ever has by virtue of higher numbers, longevity and secrecy. Your rituals of sex abuse go back before the renaissance with priests going back to gregory complaining about it in the 11th century. If heaven is full of decrepit pedophiles and people that learn of grace through decrepit pedophiles then it's nowhere worth "earning"
>inb4 it was le outlier.
Right, many people criticized these acts. So was sex abuse in pre-christian times, in fact it was seen as a decadent vice going back to the greeks writing about how it corrupted the aristocracy. Didn't spare them all from being generalized as child grooming sodomites did it?
>original post asserts souls exist based off feeling
>gets dimissed and bullied
>starts talking about "basic argument"
There was no argument going on. If your claim (soul existing) is based on what you feel and WANT to believe while demanding counter-arguments then your standards for reality are no higher than a troony that claims he's a woman because he thinks he is one and asks you to disprove it without providing any evidence himself. The most intelligent thing a person can do here is call you a homosexual. homosexual.
They say life flashes before your eyes just when you are about to die.
What if you are one of those people hit by a grenade, artillery shell or plane crash where you body literally disintegrates within seconds? Or in this case euthanized instantly? Does it still flash then?
>moron fails to comprehend metaphor episode #999
>there is no slippery slope guys it's just Christcucks trying to force their religion on you
people have been doing this on their own, why do you need to give the government so much power or celebrate killing yourself? Keep it to yourself, killing yourself or loved ones is your burden to bear
There are countless failed suicide attempts where the person ends up debilitated in a state worse than death or even successful ones that are done wrong and the person ends up in immense pain for hours before they die.
The government has the ability to provide a quick, painless, guaranteed way out.