>woman learns Greek just to turn a timeless war classic into gay smut
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>woman learns Greek just to turn a timeless war classic into gay smut
Based
Literal deranged shit-eater spotted.
Women are the israelites of the sexess
>gay smut
sounds like greek classics to me
Because they’re female, next question
Ancient Greeks engaged in anal sex with other men but they weren't homosexuals tbh
No they did not! They engaged in intercrural sex or frotting- not sodomy!
You sure seem well versed in the homosexual practices of ancient Greece. Care to share any more "research"?
I know this is a gay joke but read this anyway
https://asylummagazine.ca/THE-GAY-QUESTION
Anal sex in ancient times meant poop dick and nobody was a fan of that
Romance books are just goon material
Women probably need to be told to shut up more often. The feminine taste is indulged too frequently these days.
Because you asked homie. Shouldnt have had all those kids now you spend all day reading books written by women while you wait in the line at the welfare office
This implies reproduction comes easy for men which it doesn’t
this is an accurate translation. Did you even read the illiad? Achilles and Patrocolus were turbo gay
Proof?
>Achilles and Patrocolus were turbo gay
If that's the case, I wonder why they slept with different women in different beds, and why Achilles bestows a wife on him from the towers they sacked at Scyros. Allow me to provide a documentary proof, from book IX of the Iliad, from line 826
>Meantime Achilles in the interior tent,
>With beauteous Diomeda by himself
>From Lesbos brought, daughter of Phorbas, lay.
>Patroclus opposite reposed, with whom
>Slept charming Iphis; her, when he had won
>The lofty towers of Scyros, the divine
>Achilles took, and on his friend bestow’d.
>Allow me to provide a documentary proof from POPE'S ILIAD
I don’t think that’s Pope. I’m probably wrong but it reads more like Sam Butler.
Is the Sam Butler translation bad? I have a copy lying around and was thinking of reading it.
read Cowper
It's Cowper's translation, Pope's is not really credible if you are interested in reading the Iliad as a Greek would read it.
>Also what does Plato's treatment of homosexuality in those books argue about general Greek manners?
We were never arguing about general Greek manners, we were arguing over homosexuality being used to discredit writings from Greek antiquity. Whenever I bring up Greek Philosophy from antiquity with friends or colleagues, they will often say "sure, but they were all gay, so can we really take what they say on virtue seriously?" I then remark homosexuality was condemned in their works, which most people are ignorant of. But that's because most people haven't read Plato. So on the contrary: Plato and Xenophon and Epictetus denouncing homosexuality actually proves how prevelent it was during their time. But I am also arguing that it is always prevelent during every time, as all vices are. Nothing new under the sun.
>Whenever I bring up Greek Philosophy from antiquity with friends or colleagues, they will often say "sure, but they were all gay, so can we really take what they say on virtue seriously?"
In what brown shithole do you work? I only hear it referenced (correctly) as a positive trait
I work at a law firm in a major American city. I only here it referenced (incorrectly) as a negative trait.
>haha greeks gay
this is your brain on israeli psyops
The greeks were gay, though. Holy cope
They weren't gayer than any other culture or era. The gay history of the Greeks is often used to discredit and slander their writings from antiquity. If any other race had the same cultural output of the ancient Greeks you would hear about how 'gay' they were, and in fact we do, albeit to a lesser extent, when it comes to the Romans. The irony is most ancient Greek writers, Plato and Xenophon chief among them, denounced homosexuality as perverse and depraved in their discourses.
Plato is debatable since he never overtly did that. His character “the Athenian stranger” did in one part of the Laws.
Well, Plato is speaking through his characters, so we attribute the thoughts of his characters to Plato. His characters and discourses act as a tool to impart philosophical wisdom to the readers and to frame aspect properly. It's also denounced in his Symposium and in the Republic.
No it's not
Also what does Plato's treatment of homosexuality in those books argue about general Greek manners? Hard question for witty persons only
>It's also denounced in his Symposium and in the Republic.
I don't know what you have in mind from the latter (do you just mean the Laws?), but the Symposium doesn't denounce homosexuality, but rather, sexuality in general, and not on moral grounds, but because it's a confused and mistaken way of trying to achieve immortality.
I thought he denounced homosexuality in the Republic when he was discussing the role of the relationship between man and women (book IV or V iirc). And you're right about Plato's symposium, though I think what I meant is it is denounced in Xenophon's symposium.
99% of such threads go more or less in the same direction, they get filled with quotes which 99% of the times refer to pederasty and are used as proof of adult post hebe male on male homosexuality comparable to today's situation, completely ignoring what they actual thought about the passive role of such an adult
>The gay history of the Greeks is often used to discredit and slander their writings from antiquity.
No it's not
If any other race had the same cultural output of the ancient Greeks you would hear about how 'gay' they were, and in fact we do
No we don't, we do not hear this about medieval Europeans or the Chinese
>No we don't, we do not hear this about medieval Europeans or the Chinese
The chinese and medievals have the same homosexual past and it is documented in paintings and poems just like the Greeks. They are just not considered as culturally impactful to most of the world.
No they don't, Chinese writings on homosexuality are very sparse while medieval ones are very negative, contrasting with ancient writings which are extremely common and generally positive
The Greek one's are sparse as well. The issue is the Greeks had strong bonds of brotherhood and friendship that are often mischaracterized as homosexual relationships. So do the English: See Marlowe's play Edward II
>The Greek one's are sparse as well
No they're not
>The issue is the Greeks had strong bonds of brotherhood and friendship that are often mischaracterized as homosexual relationships
Which ones
Gee I don't know, Achilles and Patroclus might be a good one to start with seeing that it's what this entire thread is about
everyone makes weird porn about things they like. women aren't special.
Male yuritroons are especially neurotic, this is just the woman equivalent to that.
The Greeks were not gay. It is truly astonishing how a lie told often enough on a great enough scale becomes truth.
extremely reliable peer reviewed scholarly source Leather Apron Club
Do you even know the peers for the gay greek study or did you just believe it because "le peers approved"?
More horrible when you consider how long the lie has been around
>10 ancients listed, not long after or = to the ancient Greeks, all fooled
Kek
There's lots of ancient writers who are also twisted to suit this narrative... It's really horrible when you get into it
>TRUTH: This passage is probably satire.
Kek amazing
The classical Greeks already turned the archaic Greeks into gays 2,000+ years ago mate. The gayness is not in Homer but it is definitely in the stuff considered the peak of Greek culture.
>The gayness is not in Homer but it is definitely in the stuff considered the peak of Greek culture
Exactly. And the book must include material written after the Illiad by later Greeks because it's a retelling of Achille's and Patroclus's life from an early age, not just a retelling of the Illiad. The book doesn't even depict them both as purely gay because it incorporates characters like Deidamia anyways. It's funny how it gets regular threads that are butthurt about it when almost no one has actually read it, nobody even knows what they're actually mad at.